EVE General Discussion

For some more specifics from CCP Falcon listen here regarding what is and isnt allowed (This was his interview on the GRN show)

http://show.gamingradio.net/podpress_trac/web/181/0/GRNShow250115.mp3

Start at 02:07:45

The basic's I grabbed were

- VideoFX and other features outside Input Duplication is not considered an offense
- Only sending the same command to multiple clients at the same time is what the problem is
- CCP is not going to hold any public discussion on the issue (as far as I can read between the lines)
- If you have any questions on what your doing using multiboxing / ISBoxer or any solution send in a ticket to customer service
- You are reminded you are NOT allowed to share that response to the EVE Community as doing so is against the EULA.

More discussion on EVE Multiboxing can be found here

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/36-EVE-Online

Wow in this very thread many MANY pages ago I called it that CCP was going to have issues determining whether commands are broadcasted or manually inputted.

I run multiple machines with multiple keyboards as I stated before and that is why I was worried. I haven't been hit so far but I haven't done incursions in a while.




You must be in the wrong thread because nothing you said had any relevance to innerspace (the real program's name not isboxer) or any other repeater capable program/setup. I don't even see anything in this thread that would have any relevance to what you are talking about.

Portal, Portal 2, Half Life, Half Life 2, Halo, Halo 2, and Halo 3 speedruns. I'm no doubt missing millions more, but these were the most memorable as I just went on a minor binge of speedrunning videos.
Check out High Speed Halo, or the Portal 2 Co-Op speedrunning community.

You're one to talk about scientists with no balls. One day back in September or so, I took notice of the number of "ISBoxer too stronk" threads that populated GD. I looked at each thread, then at the poster's KB. 9 times out of 10, they were a carebear or miner who had never had the brilliant idea to pick up a Catalyst and force the ISBoxer to move systems or stand down. It was always someone making a vague threat regarding the health of the game, followed by 4-5 people promptly laughing at the foolishness of the poster. So before you try to tell us we have no balls, look in a mirror, and ask yourself how many times you forced an ISBoxer's fleet to stand down.

We accepted the bullseye we painted on our backs when we multiboxed. We just never expected people to be such cowards and run to mommy instead of thinking of things themselves.

WOW has 8m subscribers and allows FULL UI customization, ISBoxer and macros (to an extent as long as your at the keyboard).... EVE might have 500k subs (probably way less, but we cant get any numbers) and has decided that since they are experts in how an MMO should run, they will start banning people who multibox too effectively.

I am glad they are putting in the bans. Going against multiple perfectly timed logistics, snipers and such really sucked.

How you can call WoW pvp is beyond me.
They have 1 pvp server that everyone refuses to play.
Basically there is a small element that has a battlegrounds area that people think is pvp.

If you wish to macro on your pvm game, yea, i don't think anyone will care.

E very other game mentioned is a "throw away game", thats life expectancy is what months?
I wonder why that is?

Next time don't use a game that had to be rereleased 3 times as your statement of legitimacy.

Your hyperbole makes your ignorance extremely stark. There's a lot of PVP servers in WoW. Anyone that has played WoW knows that world pvp is very active. Oh wait you have no idea what WoW is like because either you played it 8 years ago or you just go off what you hear/stereotype. Well Blizzard has made it so that servers now share areas so as to balance out the numbers on both sides. My server has world pvp available at any hour of the day.

Your ignorance continues with your "throw away game" comment. All the games mentioned have been successful in the market place making money for many years. Some of them are actually more popular then Eve.



EDIT : What's funny is my "perfectly timed" logi were all controlled individually without innerspace.

World pvp like guildwars where its choice to step out of the area so in fact you don't HAVE to pvp its all choice.

A game where pvp is done by choice and the far FAR majority of those numbers of subscribers are people who have 0 interest to ever pvp. Furthermore the entire game is designed so they don't have to, or really they don't require any interaction with others.

You are trying to compare a sandbox game with that is amusing at best.

Why don't you focus on Ultima Onlines story about how it lost over 50% of all shards population after the producer Jeff Skalaski citied "we will not be combating scripting/botting or multiple player inputs". How do you lose 50% of the population on year 13? Games die gradually unless idiots are put in control.

Or more recent lets look at Archeage a sandbox game, once thought to be the game of the year and really thought to possibly destroy EvE. After a bot explosion the dev team decided to do little or nothing and instead to push the pay to win model.
I know how many EvE players that were playing, they literally had mirror guilds to their corps on EvE.
The game died literally overnight land which was being only sold for real money due to its rarity is now so available they are now discussing shard transfers.
Did i mention the game came out in September? They have a PLEX called APEX it sold at release for 40 gold it is now 700 gold and projected by players to cap at 1500.
That inflation is for 5 months.

Its fairly obvious from these playerbases that people feel in a pvp focused game, that they don't wish to have one person running an army of players around, at least not with 1 button gameplay.
Maybe you feel different, but thats you, i assure you.

I'd love to see a bot do WORLD pvp... Notice I said WORLD pvp not instance pvp or bg pvp or arena pvp... WORLD pvp...



Well the choice when I played recently before the latest expansion was to either open myself to pvp to level or to grind the crap out of the instances....

That's probably why WORLD PVP is so active when I played.

The subscriber numbers shows that the most popular servers in WOW are PVP based.. So clearly the majority of WOW players actually do like their PVP. Now if you have any actual statistics to counter that i"m open to reading them.

You do realize it's entirely possible to play eve for years and have no real interaction with anyone let alone anything resembling pvp right? I did it for a good 6 months when I first came back after the original long break.

I played UO and I don't remember anything about that announcement I do remember trammel and EQ coming along which caused a massive decline in the playerbase. Matter fact I can't find a single example of that statement anywhere on google. Your revisionist history is hilariously wrong.


EDIT : I've never heard of Archeage but how a fantasy mmorpg is supposed to kill a space based mmorpg is beyond me...

From what I read it had the same issue as aion. An annoying grind which contributed to the rise of botters and developers who failed massively to address the bot and grind issues. There is absolutely nothing about that game which is relevant to multiboxing in eve.



EDIT 2 : You should really look into the macro capabilities and the extensive usage of multiboxing in Lineage and Lineage 2. Those games made it out better then EVE. The decline in userbase is due to bad development decisions.

I still cant figure out what CSM people do. All of them seem to run on the "you know me" platform and don't post any real ideas.
At least no ideas they want to share to get elected with.
Smells of real world politics and we all know how well those work.
But thats a whole new topic that needs addressing.