Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You just talk about how your in WH space and you don't care about the subject.

What is the sad part of it all is CCP couldn't give a rats butt about the subject and put it all here to just bury it in one place. Theres no Dev discussion working out solutions it's just members stating there side. I realize your side you like the trolling of cloak and don't wana have any responsibility.

The higher risk higher reward is Bullshit because the cloaker risks nothing to set up hot drops and thats moronic. but as long as people love the Broken Game Dynamic it will stay i guess.

Keeping a broken game dynamic is just dumb in the long run even if you enjoy the effect of it you do know it's Dumb i realize that. It would be smart to rethink the whole thing. To claim that a cloak in real life would have no way to be detected, well thats really dumb of you tho honestly.

To say that a pvp centered player comes into a system and Wants the game to allow him to just sit in space all day is really crazy honestly. You should want the cat and mouse game but no you wanna be Immune from any danger and some how the people complaining are being carebears lol.


and i Do need to keep bringing up the Plain because all you wana do is bury it under you asking over and over "What's it harming" like you have no idea what were talking about, like were suppose to think you have no clue.
I want you to address my points what would be wrong with making this available?

Why are you so against having A detection method that doesn't ruin cloaking but just makes it more interactive??? Just because you decided to put a cloak on your ship shouldn't somehow make you be able to be immune from any player interaction.

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Whats So Wrong with a Cloaked pilot Having to be just as proactive as the PvE? In another post i said your like the pot calling the kettle black because you say the Carebears are crying they wanna feel safe waa waaa but then your the one saying no no don't take my trolling tool away don't make me have to have any skill i wanna sit around not paying attention to anything because i got my cloak on.

There should be some skill to the cloaked pilot.

I quoted Terms from Star Trek showing that the idea that a cloaked ship is absolutely not able to be semi detected in some way is absurd.

Allowing Sov Owners to put up like " quantum beacons " that you could perform " metaphysic sweep's" to determine a general location of 50KM from a cloaked ship. Only able to be re-used after like a 30 Min cool down Allowing said alliance to warp and perform a physical search op?

Would make it still able to gather Intel and be undetected as to exactly where it's at it would just be a round-about location and would set the regular cloak apart of the covert-ops even more

With the game mechanics the way it is in you would be moving at a much faster travel speed with covert-ops so you should have a very good chance of not being found. You would see everyone else around you and be moving away. Also Black-op BS's would be super effective with the speed boosts.

There is a place where there is no Local already....

Your statement says cloaks have a right to have immunity outright when really they should not.

If the only thing this is going to do is Stop afk cloaking then why are you guys so Against it? Why are you putting so much effort into keeping something away when it wont have any effects on you what so ever?

If you like trolling people Sov systems then you Still can my Idea wont change that. It really shouldn't matter to you honestly. you guys just like the fact that people hate it and want that to be kepted it for Trolling it has nothing to do with the in game effects to you it's effecting your power to annoy people and that upsets you?

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Whats So Wrong with a Cloaked pilot Having to be just as proactive as the PvE? In another post i said your like the pot calling the kettle black because you say the Carebears are crying they wanna feel safe waa waaa but then your the one saying no no don't take my trolling tool away don't make me have to have any skill i wanna sit around not paying attention to anything because i got my cloak on.

There should be some skill to the cloaked pilot.

I quoted Terms from Star Trek showing that the idea that a cloaked ship is absolutely not able to be semi detected in some way is absurd.

Allowing Sov Owners to put up like " quantum beacons " that you could perform " metaphysic sweep's" to determine a general location of 50KM from a cloaked ship. Only able to be re-used after like a 30 Min cool down Allowing said alliance to warp and perform a physical search op?

Would make it still able to gather Intel and be undetected as to exactly where it's at it would just be a round-about location and would set the regular cloak apart of the covert-ops even more

With the game mechanics the way it is in you would be moving at a much faster travel speed with covert-ops so you should have a very good chance of not being found. You would see everyone else around you and be moving away. Also Black-op BS's would be super effective with the speed boosts.

You dont need to afk cloak to kill people in null-space. Kills can and do happen on a regular basis without camping a system, and most importantly without a cloak.

E: im speaking of ratter and miner kills specifically

Afk cloakers get killed too. So either AFK cloakers make mistakes too, or you can effectively defend yourself with a bit of work. Or both.

so we dont need to change anything.

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All im asking is a way to stalk a target without advertising my presence. The ONLY way to do that is to pretend to be AFK. The moment you have something that gets you my general whereabouts you'll know whether im AFK or not when you dont expose me. Thus still advertising my presence.

You could still rat without knowing im there and would have a fun new interaction like WH players do.

You could still defend yourself. Other players do just fine.

edit- and you are still not reading. At no point have i said 'cloaking should be immune to anything'.

Sometimes yes, but not always, and not the majority. Plenty of people die even watching local. Slow warp outs, scrambled by new wave of rats, bumped on an asteroid, checking kill history of another hostile nearby, focusing on tasks remotely, all kinds of things. If someone is literally staring at local chat and nothing else while aligning out theyre eventually not going to have to worry about getting caught since they could just move to highsec. And its not at all surprising that someone who was prepared for you before you even got there (whether you show up on intel or not) is going to beat you to the chase. might as well complain that ships show up on grid before dropping out of warp. Must be unfair that they can see you before you get a chance to scram them.

People take risks. They always have and they always will. All in pursuit of that extra isk.

That would be along the same line of thinking that supers used to get killed before crimewatch happened, so it should have been fine.

Its not as binary as that.

Also, I would like to hear how you can defend yourself (or manipulate in anyway) the advantage of intel that the cloaked ship provides? The intel which is used to protect and preserve the risk that the fleet standing behind his noobship provides?

Both sides of this argument seem to believe that the solution is as simple as "change nothing" or "remove the single thing i dislike".

Again, The issue isnt as binary as that.

Do you happen to remember the arguments people made against giving the skiff and procurer massive tank and drone damage bonuses? Things along the lines of "just hire protection scrub". And do you recall what the response from the devs and other players was on why this was a terrible idea? And if a cyno is an answer to your problems then you should be just fine with having hostiles trying to track you down, since your ship already has one.

And you still haven't provided me with an answer on how you can fiddle with the intel provided by eyes on site, especially considering those eyes can't be touched. Aside from actually changing what your doing by not doing it (thus changing the intel) there's nothing.

This isnt a simple problem with just cloaks and local. The entire intel/stealth system in eve is terrible. Most intel is handed to you in a nice little bag and requires no actual work from you other than opening a window and looking at it.

Arguments Busted! Close Thread Please :P

Yeah Guess what? In war and technology you gain Information, in any space syfy show they know about ships types (d-scan) exact locations (probes) and have local nets watching the systems on who comes though gates (local) Oh No and guess what? they have ways of seeing traces of cloaked ships leaving signs behind.

Bringing up Local when theres already a game mechanic that gives you that option it's called WormHoles, is pretty dumb of a argument when you have that option in game smart guy.