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Kinakka Falls To Gallente - What Happened To Caldari Resistance?
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Dread Delgarth
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#1 - 2015-01-26 11:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Dread Delgarth
After the Caldari's heroic defence of Hasmijaala a few weeks ago I must admit I expected to see a lot more resistance in Kinakka to try and hold the system. What happened to their resolve? Full credit to the brave Caldari capsuleers who did try to hold out but it seems that without the hordes of Concordiat behind them the CaldarI are powerless. I have it on good authority that these null bears find it funny that Calmil can't hold systems without their help.

Will the likes of Mira Devorsha put up with alliance bro's whose only real interest in FW is as a cash cow to fund misplaced null sec aspirations? One bright spot to appear from the Kinakka campaign for the Caldari is the emergence of a newfound propaganda spokesman currently operating under the banner of I-Red. His audio report on the campaign is well worth a listen. :))
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-01-26 12:50:33 UTC
I generally saw more HECON, Bloc and TEMPLIS than I did HONOR pilots. I get the feeling that the HONOR folks are just following in the TEST tradition - come in, use CalMil like an LP ATM, then bugger off to null to do whatever it is they're doing. It's sad that they won't sack up and live in the warzone proper.

I really don't understand why GHIOT decided to join them, though I guess there's a lot of CalMil corps that traditionally have had strong ties to null.

Hate to say it, but the fact that FW is so lucrative for folks who can safely base out of high sec really attracts the wrong crowd sometimes.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Arla Sarain
#3 - 2015-01-26 13:36:26 UTC
Dread Delgarth wrote:
without the hordes

As opposed to the gallente mass which in no way can have parallels drawn to a zerg?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#4 - 2015-01-26 13:49:28 UTC
Dread Delgarth
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#5 - 2015-01-26 14:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Dread Delgarth
Arla Sarain wrote:
Dread Delgarth wrote:
without the hordes

As opposed to the gallente mass which in no way can have parallels drawn to a zerg?


Although numbers don't count for everything I would argue that they're the biggest influence on a successful offense or defence of a system. Instead of helping their Caldari bretherin Spaceship Samurai (excluding Mira and Great Harmon) would rather float around in null sec shooting sov blockade units for hours on end in Talwars then have an actual fight in FW!
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-01-26 15:14:10 UTC
If any of the Gallente corps are looking for a more evenly matched contest the Minmatar Militia would appreciate anyone wanting to do a stint with the TLF. The Amarr are pretty active and not scared of a fight whilst the Minnie's only have 3 or 4 entities able to or actively putting significant numbers on field.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#7 - 2015-01-26 15:43:07 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Caldari Militia's Official Announcement.

omg, Valentine Dyall is in cal mil. Big smile
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-01-26 16:23:44 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Dread Delgarth wrote:
without the hordes

As opposed to the gallente mass which in no way can have parallels drawn to a zerg?

We prefer the term "Voltron."

In generally, GalMil as a whole seems to have better EUTZ dominance, where CalMil really gets rolling in late USTZ. We've both got to deal with being outnumbered in various TZs...

... even though GalMil tends to keep slugging it out when outnumbered on more occassions than we see CalMil step upTwisted

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#9 - 2015-01-26 18:03:46 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Caldari Militia's Official Announcement.
I propose all warzone updates be done like this one from here on out.

Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#10 - 2015-01-26 21:50:20 UTC
Poor kinakka.

Rooting for you Caldari bro's!
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-01-26 21:53:00 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
If any of the Gallente corps are looking for a more evenly matched contest the Minmatar Militia would appreciate anyone wanting to do a stint with the TLF. The Amarr are pretty active and not scared of a fight whilst the Minnie's only have 3 or 4 entities able to or actively putting significant numbers on field.

Take back Huola so we can access our massive stores of Derptrons and we'll talk.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-01-27 00:31:29 UTC
Kinakka was only a notional 'home' system so comparisons with Hasmijala are unwarranted. When the guys who 'live' there aren't deployed in the warzone and don't get involved in defending the system you can hardly expect everyone else to put up a full-scale defence. I don't think any defence fleets were formed until it hit 80% contested, which should give you an idea of how serious the militia as a whole were about defending this system. That's not to say we didn't want it , though. We want all the systems but in the absence of a group actually living there this one wasn't a great priority.

On another note, you may have noticed there was no CalMil brag thread after you got pounded for three weeks in Hasmijala. Just sayin' ...
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-01-27 00:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Dread Delgarth wrote:
After the Caldari's heroic defence of Hasmijaala a few weeks ago I must admit I expected to see a lot more resistance in Kinakka to try and hold the system. What happened to their resolve? Full credit to the brave Caldari capsuleers who did try to hold out but it seems that without the hordes of Concordiat behind them the CaldarI are powerless. I have it on good authority that these null bears find it funny that Calmil can't hold systems without their help.



As you know, 'the hordes of Concordiat' didn't have much to do with the defence of Hasmijala. Kinakka, on the other hand, was Concordiat's system, so congratulations, I guess, on taking a system who's residents weren't there. I can understand why you need to shout about it after your recent pummelling Blink

Veskrashen wrote:
I generally saw more HECON, Bloc and TEMPLIS than I did HONOR pilots. I get the feeling that the HONOR folks are just following in the TEST tradition - come in, use CalMil like an LP ATM, then bugger off to null to do whatever it is they're doing. It's sad that they won't sack up and live in the warzone proper.



They announced their intentions before joining CalMil. No one was under any illusions about their priorities. Still, unlike TEST they are really nice guys to have around when they are around. They don't poach pilots or lord it over anyone so we're happy working with them when they are around to do so. We're not going to break our backs defending their system for them when they are away though.
Yuri Antollare
Moira.
#14 - 2015-01-27 03:37:08 UTC
Epikurus wrote:

On another note, you may have noticed there was no CalMil brag thread after you got pounded for three weeks in Hasmijala. Just sayin' ...


Probably because too many squids have access to a killboard of some descript.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-01-27 09:35:36 UTC
Yuri Antollare wrote:
Epikurus wrote:

On another note, you may have noticed there was no CalMil brag thread after you got pounded for three weeks in Hasmijala. Just sayin' ...


Probably because too many squids have access to a killboard of some descript.


GalMil vs CalMil efficiency in Hasmijala was 55%. That's hardly earthshaking.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#16 - 2015-01-27 09:41:23 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
Yuri Antollare wrote:
Epikurus wrote:

On another note, you may have noticed there was no CalMil brag thread after you got pounded for three weeks in Hasmijala. Just sayin' ...


Probably because too many squids have access to a killboard of some descript.


GalMil vs CalMil efficiency in Hasmijala was 55%. That's hardly earthshaking.


You fail to consider that caldari progress in the occupancy war has been almost completely stalled.

We take Kinakka, you take... ahem... akidagi lol.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-01-27 09:52:04 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

You fail to consider that caldari progress in the occupancy war has been almost completely stalled.

We take Kinakka, you take... ahem... akidagi lol.


Ooh - we took akidagi? Nice!
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-01-27 11:52:03 UTC
We is officially adding Galmil to Uncle Chop Chops's list. Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sry7JYV1U24

Trey Kutoi
SergalJerk
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2015-01-27 13:20:05 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

You fail to consider that caldari progress in the occupancy war has been almost completely stalled.

We take Kinakka, you take... ahem... akidagi lol.


Ooh - we took akidagi? Nice!



then suddenly sansha
Yuri Antollare
Moira.
#20 - 2015-01-27 15:22:24 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
Yuri Antollare wrote:
Epikurus wrote:

On another note, you may have noticed there was no CalMil brag thread after you got pounded for three weeks in Hasmijala. Just sayin' ...


Probably because too many squids have access to a killboard of some descript.


GalMil vs CalMil efficiency in Hasmijala was 55%. That's hardly earthshaking.


http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2806,2806,2806,2806,2806,2806,2806,2806&b=6311520,6314400,6317280,6320160,6323040,6325920,6328800,6331680&e=2879,2879,2879,2879,2879,2879,2879,1439&t=bOwzGOkAHgHPybaiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaq&r=1

I'll show you mine if you show me yours?

Scrolling through the class summary page there's a fairly heavy pattern of some very unfavourable head to head loss matchups, a few fun facts.

200+ Galmill sniper corms were lost, in exchange over 400 Calmill sniper corms were destroyed.

For the loss of 49 of our proud Vexors, and 14 T1 logi that bravely followed them, Calmill lost in excess of 140 T1 cruisers.

In total, Galmill put 2280 ships on to the field, 1650 of those never came home. In comparison Calmill managed an impressive 2942 ships, 2365 of which were destroyed (holy jump freighter!)

The numbers alone are impressive, then you have to consider you were on the defensive, with a two jump buffer, and with slightly more people than the attackers Roll
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