Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No it's in Sov because thats the only place where when you see it then you know it's just someone waiting to catch you out.
And Most ratting in Sov is Anoms thus theres no probs needed, you can be cloaked and d-scan oh look hes in that anom ta da.

Obiously
In Highsec there concord that gives the people protection thus why would anyone care. In low sec it's were all the good small fleet pvp is and expected And in WH's it's a a whole different word and you'll see a lot have had to get out due to tech 3 roaming fleets.

100% safety of course you don't need your mods, all active mods are in a fight and instantly usable once you decloak so what dis-advantage is that? None!

No there no pve or mining in any really substantial amount in Low-sec. It happens but it's not to a large amount.

All I'm saying in Yeah Sov should be different that lowsec in the fact you should be able to defend it. Sov is like the kingdoms of EVE and you really can't do 1 think to a cloaked camper waiting to catch your industry out.

Think about it honestly if this was reality a Huge empire would work at ways of defending it's space it Owned even from Cloaked ships. And this idea i got from another player and kinda made my own would allow the cloaked player to stay safe. It would make it more interesting to you. i'd imagine you could even use it as a new bait tactic

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Whats So Wrong with a Cloaked pilot Having to be just as proactive as the PvE? In another post i said your like the pot calling the kettle black because you say the Carebears are crying they wanna feel safe waa waaa but then your the one saying no no don't take my trolling tool away don't make me have to have any skill i wanna sit around not paying attention to anything because i got my cloak on.

There should be some skill to the cloaked pilot.

I quoted Terms from Star Trek showing that the idea that a cloaked ship is absolutely not able to be semi detected in some way is absurd.

Allowing Sov Owners to put up like " quantum beacons " that you could perform " metaphysic sweep's" to determine a general location of 50KM from a cloaked ship. Only able to be re-used after like a 30 Min cool down Allowing said alliance to warp and perform a physical search op?

Would make it still able to gather Intel and be undetected as to exactly where it's at it would just be a round-about location and would set the regular cloak apart of the covert-ops even more

With the game mechanics the way it is in you would be moving at a much faster travel speed with covert-ops so you should have a very good chance of not being found. You would see everyone else around you and be moving away. Also Black-op BS's would be super effective with the speed boosts.

I don't see any Dev guiding the discussion which would be a huge help to this issue. Helping advance the ideas rather than a lot of them buried under many pages of posts.

1. Except the point of cloaked recons or any other similar ship is to act in a manner that requires them to out on extended operation. Watching, gathering intel and waiting for OPPORTUNITY. You do know that left to their own - most cloaky ships are very weak and as such they must pick their targets or use force projection to compete. Otherwise they are typically used as support vessels.

2. Depending on the cloak used, it takes up a high slot - cpu. It places a scan resolution penalty on the ship and for all covert ops ships except for frigates adds a targeting delay of about 5 seconds.

3. Which is the point of the ship. There is a reason black ops are specifically buffed to do this - it is so we can get behind enemy lines and blow you up. Meaning that you cannot just choke off a system and be 100% safe. Also, it may be an imaginable thought - but you could fit a cyno to your ship as well.

Because from what I hear cloakers will just go after any ship they can. So as soon as he engages you, light your cyno and have your friends come help you. You have now successfully counter dropped and countered the cloaker. Congratulations!

1. I know, I use cloakers in this way all the time, and have since the mechanic was introduced. If active these mechanics are nothing to someone actively playing, and would be just like clicking warp or turning on the cloak after jumping etc. It would however primarily affect those that aren't there to do such things (kind of like mining, normal PvP, and pretty much everything). Fuel is just a business COG, and means you can't do it forever, and need to use discretion or get more fuel eventually. (kind of like ammo, I seem to recall some of my PvP ships require that when I am on deep roams).

2. I believe you just defined the term "fitting nuisance". The point is for them to be detectable by some means. I always have cloakies watching staging systems undock, sometimes even stream it, and never interact with the client, nor do I have to. Just guessing that's a bad mechanic....good business model for the company, but bad actual mechanic. I should probably have some minor concern that I am being hunted, and should thus do things and stuff to avoid it.

3. As stated, if the other mechanics were introduced, this point is not at all broken, and works great! Since an entire class of ships was built around covert attacks in the backfield it is obviously meant to be in the game and should be. If something like 1 and 2 are not addressed, then this would be the next logical point to fiddle with, but obviously the least ideal or efficient, and goes against the intended play-style.

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D-scan and instant warp anoms and with covert ops hes dead on you (you never know what player is active nor afk so you have to assume active.)

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this is my suggestion, a sov biased system that would take a cost to put up and wouldn't give away there exact location and yet would allow a interaction of both party's

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Whats So Wrong with a Cloaked pilot Having to be just as proactive as the PvE? In another post i said your like the pot calling the kettle black because you say the Carebears are crying they wanna feel safe waa waaa but then your the one saying no no don't take my trolling tool away don't make me have to have any skill i wanna sit around not paying attention to anything because i got my cloak on.

There should be some skill to the cloaked pilot.

I quoted Terms from Star Trek showing that the idea that a cloaked ship is absolutely not able to be semi detected in some way is absurd.

Allowing Sov Owners to put up like " quantum beacons " that you could perform " metaphysic sweep's" to determine a general location of 50KM from a cloaked ship. Only able to be re-used after like a 30 Min cool down Allowing said alliance to warp and perform a physical search op?

Would make it still able to gather Intel and be undetected as to exactly where it's at it would just be a round-about location and would set the regular cloak apart of the covert-ops even more

With the game mechanics the way it is in you would be moving at a much faster travel speed with covert-ops so you should have a very good chance of not being found. You would see everyone else around you and be moving away. Also Black-op BS's would be super effective with the speed boosts.

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because this one costs to put up and is part of Sov mechanic rather than just local(if you don't like local goto WH space) , Sov is suppose to mean your alliance has claimed ownership of this space yet there really nothing it gives other than a station and ratting upgrades. And Many Sov system have NO station so they have to hide in POSes

lol Well your not reading my post then my friend. It's not that magically we should be able to fix a broken in game mechanic. You can't do anything to a cloaked camper Yet you Should be able to. CCP has to fix it. Sorry i have to spell it out bit by bit, i thought you'd connect the dots.

On your same line of thought then why should the Cloaking camper have a 100% free ride and right of passage ??

He has the right to choose the time of engagement. That's the definition of surprise. Until he engage he can't do anything to you. Once he engage he's vulnerable. You don't accept this mechanics because it takes away your expectation of safety. This was all said numerous times in this thread.

This was discussed extensively in this thread, also by me. Discussed in context of local and cyno. Please read the thread first, judge the arguments therein and if you still believe you have something new to post, please don't hesitate to do so.
Until then don't expect me to refute another repetition of the same arguments that were made before by other posters.

Much more was said in this thread, and I gave you specific hints in my previous post. But apparently you can't be bothered to read this thread.