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[PROPOSAL] Anti-cloaking device / stopping frag warping
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#81 - 2011-12-20 02:11:20 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Cna't beleive I'm educating a "united" pilot...must be a newbie or something.

1: Use Drones...lots of drones..sensor boosts..whatever you have to do to decrease lock on time. You lock..they can't cloak up.

2: Smart Bombs...massive battleship fleet with smart bombs will make life miserable for anynoe shownig up via stargate....and allow for locking on of targets.

*Obviously don't mix the 2 as drones don't take kindly to smart bombs.

That's just my 2 cents worth...I'm sure there are tons of pilots here with their own tricks of the trade.


If you can't figure that out...your an embarassment to your alliance.

The United are pros when it comes to this stuff...they pratically patended the gate camp thanks to the Rancer Pipe and everything else.

Now start taking your own advice and learn to read before you open your mouth again.

I agree that such massive concernted efforts should be required if you "really" want to catch that damn covert ops ship or cloaky hauler.

But do you agree that battleships, t1 industrials, command ships, battlecruisers and every single sub-cap class ship in the game should be immune to all but these enormous well planned gate camps too? because that's what frag warping is, it's complete immunity to effectively all camps for effectively all ships.

Which is also why I get so confused that people don't use it more often :)

But anyway, yeah, people shouldn't have to spend hours dropping drones around a gate (at the risk of CCP coming and popping them anyway if they use too many) just so they can solo gatecamp and catch a dominix with a tech one cloak and a MWD.

(As for "cover the gate in smartbombing battleships", rofl. Not a fan of small gang PvP I take it?)

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Katie Door
the united
#82 - 2011-12-20 06:37:22 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Katie Door wrote:
maybe take a bit of your own advise, start reading, in stead of over and over and over and over again trying to get atttention to your own personal agenda.

nice try



Cna't beleive I'm educating a "united" pilot...must be a newbie or something.

1: Use Drones...lots of drones..sensor boosts..whatever you have to do to decrease lock on time. You lock..they can't cloak up.

2: Smart Bombs...massive battleship fleet with smart bombs will make life miserable for anynoe shownig up via stargate....and allow for locking on of targets.

*Obviously don't mix the 2 as drones don't take kindly to smart bombs.

That's just my 2 cents worth...I'm sure there are tons of pilots here with their own tricks of the trade.


If you can't figure that out...your an embarassment to your alliance.

The United are pros when it comes to this stuff...they pratically patended the gate camp thanks to the Rancer Pipe and everything else.

Now start taking your own advice and learn to read before you open your mouth again.



Neither can i believe you are "educating" me, and you aren't. let me show you:

1) drones: get blown away in low sec because of sentry guns
2) smartbombs: the module or the effect does NOT prevent cloaking.

your an embarassment to your alliance if you haven't figured out that smartbombs won't prevent cloaks or that sentry guns will pop any drone in 1 volley. (see what i did there ?)

Wanna try again ?

you have one thing correct though, the united are Pro's
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2011-12-20 06:48:28 UTC
Katie Door wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Katie Door wrote:
maybe take a bit of your own advise, start reading, in stead of over and over and over and over again trying to get atttention to your own personal agenda.

nice try



Cna't beleive I'm educating a "united" pilot...must be a newbie or something.

1: Use Drones...lots of drones..sensor boosts..whatever you have to do to decrease lock on time. You lock..they can't cloak up.

2: Smart Bombs...massive battleship fleet with smart bombs will make life miserable for anynoe shownig up via stargate....and allow for locking on of targets.

*Obviously don't mix the 2 as drones don't take kindly to smart bombs.

That's just my 2 cents worth...I'm sure there are tons of pilots here with their own tricks of the trade.


If you can't figure that out...your an embarassment to your alliance.

The United are pros when it comes to this stuff...they pratically patended the gate camp thanks to the Rancer Pipe and everything else.

Now start taking your own advice and learn to read before you open your mouth again.



Neither can i believe you are "educating" me, and you aren't. let me show you:

1) drones: get blown away in low sec because of sentry guns
2) smartbombs: the module or the effect does NOT prevent cloaking.

your an embarassment to your alliance if you haven't figured out that smartbombs won't prevent cloaks or that sentry guns will pop any drone in 1 volley. (see what i did there ?)

Wanna try again ?

you have one thing correct though, the united are Pro's


you forgot to mention that smart bombs will damage regardless of whether you are cloaked or not.

care to try again nooblet?

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Katie Door
the united
#84 - 2011-12-20 07:14:44 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Katie Door wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Katie Door wrote:
maybe take a bit of your own advise, start reading, in stead of over and over and over and over again trying to get atttention to your own personal agenda.

nice try



Cna't beleive I'm educating a "united" pilot...must be a newbie or something.

1: Use Drones...lots of drones..sensor boosts..whatever you have to do to decrease lock on time. You lock..they can't cloak up.

2: Smart Bombs...massive battleship fleet with smart bombs will make life miserable for anynoe shownig up via stargate....and allow for locking on of targets.

*Obviously don't mix the 2 as drones don't take kindly to smart bombs.

That's just my 2 cents worth...I'm sure there are tons of pilots here with their own tricks of the trade.


If you can't figure that out...your an embarassment to your alliance.

The United are pros when it comes to this stuff...they pratically patended the gate camp thanks to the Rancer Pipe and everything else.

Now start taking your own advice and learn to read before you open your mouth again.



Neither can i believe you are "educating" me, and you aren't. let me show you:

1) drones: get blown away in low sec because of sentry guns
2) smartbombs: the module or the effect does NOT prevent cloaking.

your an embarassment to your alliance if you haven't figured out that smartbombs won't prevent cloaks or that sentry guns will pop any drone in 1 volley. (see what i did there ?)

Wanna try again ?

you have one thing correct though, the united are Pro's


you forgot to mention that smart bombs will damage regardless of whether you are cloaked or not.

care to try again nooblet?


sure, i'll try again, nooblet.

you ever (try) to kill a BS, fitted or otherwise with 1, 2 or maybe 3, if you're lucky smartbombing BS?

it still does not solve the crappy, near exploit mechanic you so desperate try to maintain.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#85 - 2011-12-20 13:07:42 UTC
Katie Door wrote:
Neither can i believe you are "educating" me, and you aren't. let me show you:

1) drones: get blown away in low sec because of sentry guns
2) smartbombs: the module or the effect does NOT prevent cloaking.

your an embarassment to your alliance if you haven't figured out that smartbombs won't prevent cloaks or that sentry guns will pop any drone in 1 volley. (see what i did there ?)

Wanna try again ?

you have one thing correct though, the united are Pro's

1) Not if you use an alt

2) Sit a rohk on a gate, at the right distance in the direction of the outgate. Then watch for incoming cloakies, and smartbomb them to hell as they land. Doesn't fix frag warping though, so I think Drake misunderstood you when he pointed this out.

Unless he means you need enough smartbombing battleships to instapop that pesky dominix :D I don't know why, but something is telling me from the last few posts that Drake doesn't actually know what frag warping is :(

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Katie Door
the united
#86 - 2011-12-20 17:53:59 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Katie Door wrote:
Neither can i believe you are "educating" me, and you aren't. let me show you:

1) drones: get blown away in low sec because of sentry guns
2) smartbombs: the module or the effect does NOT prevent cloaking.

your an embarassment to your alliance if you haven't figured out that smartbombs won't prevent cloaks or that sentry guns will pop any drone in 1 volley. (see what i did there ?)

Wanna try again ?

you have one thing correct though, the united are Pro's

1) Not if you use an alt

2) Sit a rohk on a gate, at the right distance in the direction of the outgate. Then watch for incoming cloakies, and smartbomb them to hell as they land. Doesn't fix frag warping though, so I think Drake misunderstood you when he pointed this out.

Unless he means you need enough smartbombing battleships to instapop that pesky dominix :D I don't know why, but something is telling me from the last few posts that Drake doesn't actually know what frag warping is :(


1) not really practical, IMO. even with the extended radius because of the drones, you still going to need 30-40 ships with drones out to prevent any cloaks from working. (will have to make a model of it to see what the exact number is)

2) really, ur telling me/us this ? uh-huh, thanks Lol . even so, at a guess you are going to need 40+ smartbombing BS to prevent cloaking just by their proximity.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2011-12-20 18:05:44 UTC
Katie Door wrote:
sure, i'll try again, nooblet.

you ever (try) to kill a BS, fitted or otherwise with 1, 2 or maybe 3, if you're lucky smartbombing BS?

it still does not solve the crappy, near exploit mechanic you so desperate try to maintain.


What the hell does a Battleship have to do with cloaking devices?

Are you compeletely off your rocker or something?

I think you've lost it....i suggest you take a break before you make it worse.

Most preys in this context are blocakde runners or cruisers or frigates...anything else is likely going to be very difficult to hide let alone escape.

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Katie Door
the united
#88 - 2011-12-20 18:20:35 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Katie Door wrote:
sure, i'll try again, nooblet.

you ever (try) to kill a BS, fitted or otherwise with 1, 2 or maybe 3, if you're lucky smartbombing BS?

it still does not solve the crappy, near exploit mechanic you so desperate try to maintain.


What the hell does a Battleship have to do with cloaking devices?

Are you compeletely off your rocker or something?

I think you've lost it....i suggest you take a break before you make it worse.

Most preys in this context are blocakde runners or cruisers or frigates...anything else is likely going to be very difficult to hide let alone escape.


geez, i guess you still haven;t read the OP.... among other things, the OP proposes a counter to frag warping. frag warping involves a cloak. i used BS because of their sig radius(size), to create as many de-cloaking bubbles around the gate, aswell as the frag warping BS. if you do not know what frag warping is, i suggest you (re)read the thread.
Katie Door
the united
#89 - 2011-12-20 18:29:57 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:



Cna't beleive I'm educating a "united" pilot...must be a newbie or something.

1: Use Drones...lots of drones..sensor boosts..whatever you have to do to decrease lock on time. You lock..they can't cloak up.


We've tried that. can't believe i missed that little gem. which leads me to believe you haven't read the OP, or the thread.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#90 - 2011-12-20 18:57:51 UTC
I see gatecampers begging for sympathy regarding their plight to gank defenseless ships... and not getting any.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#91 - 2011-12-20 21:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Katie Door wrote:
1) not really practical, IMO. even with the extended radius because of the drones, you still going to need 30-40 ships with drones out to prevent any cloaks from working. (will have to make a model of it to see what the exact number is)

2) really, ur telling me/us this ? uh-huh, thanks Lol . even so, at a guess you are going to need 40+ smartbombing BS to prevent cloaking just by their proximity.

1) You dont have to be at the gate Lol Use a myrmidon, orbit gate at 10k with MWD, abandon drones one at a time around the gate. Cover the gate in a sphere of drones. (But not too many, or the CCP Gods will come and blow them all anyway).

2) Heh, was saying it more for Drake's sake :)

Drake Draconis wrote:
Katie Door wrote:
sure, i'll try again, nooblet.

you ever (try) to kill a BS, fitted or otherwise with 1, 2 or maybe 3, if you're lucky smartbombing BS?

it still does not solve the crappy, near exploit mechanic you so desperate try to maintain.


What the hell does a Battleship have to do with cloaking devices?

Are you compeletely off your rocker or something?

I think you've lost it....i suggest you take a break before you make it worse.

Most preys in this context are blocakde runners or cruisers or frigates...anything else is likely going to be very difficult to hide let alone escape.

Ok, so that's confirmed, you don't know what frag warping is and you've been ignoring us for the last two pages :(

PRO TIP: ANY SUB-CAPITAL SHIP CAN WARP USING A TRICK INVOLVING CLOAK+MWD AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LOCK THEM.

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