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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#41 - 2015-01-26 06:09:19 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Veers: backseat mod edition?



Nah, just a big fan of a profanity free forum.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2015-01-26 07:03:47 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:


First off, its not your win, because you didn't do anything beside whine on forums.

Secondly, the good guys are the gankers. Trillions of liquid isk flooding the wallets of highsec incursion runners fucks up the economy for everyone.


LOL...your code talking points are no good here sir....I was the face of the enemy for them, and I won big by continuing to demonstrate my elite PvP skills and expose code as the griefers they are.

And no, deciding to illegally kill people to combat inflation in a deflationary environment does not make you a hero...it just makes you a delusional villain. And do watch the language, please.


I'm not part of Code.

And if the ****** filter doesn't pick up bad language its not my ******* fault.


You are expected to comply with forum rules regarding profanity regardless of the effectiveness of the filter. Per forum rule #8 -

Use of profanity is prohibited.

The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter.


Well since I didn't attempt to mask anything or use alternate letters....

So since you are a big advocate of forum rules, how about you follow the ones about trolling and redundant threads? Your violating much more rules than I am.

What a clown. Keep on ******* that chicken, Veers.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
mustafa ahmed han
maharajin
#43 - 2015-01-26 07:40:41 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Solonius Rex wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Just saying, no one, and I mean absolutely no one should feel good about themselves when Veers consistently praises your actions.

It should, in fact, trigger a thorough re-examination of your priorities.


Roll

If you had bothered to, you know, actually read what I wrote, then you would realize that I oppose the AG fleets. The mechanics make them non-viable, and all they do is frustrate the FC's, like Gorila, and lead to them either quitting AG, quitting the game, or joining the bad guys. Notice that I have never participated in such endeavors.

My approach is to simply avoid risky occupations like hauling, and stick to the relatively risk free incursion and mission running. That is why Veers keeps on winning,and code keeps on losing.


How has code "Lost" to you? Thats kinda like saying "Black legion has never killed me before, therefore they lost, and I won."


An excellent question, sir. Code declared a campaign against highsec incursion runners, to force them to either buy permits and follow the trollific code, or to leave highsec entirely. Incursion runners refused to play ball, and dared code to do their worst. 4 months later, and after a countless number of incompetently performed failed gank attempts, code has given up and decided to go pick on pathetic miners and haulers. That is a huge victory for me specifically, and for highsec incursion runners more generally. Standing up to the biggest grief group in highsec and forcing them to concede unconditional defeat is a pretty huge win for the good guys.


First off, its not your win, because you didn't do anything beside whine on forums.

Secondly, the good guys are the gankers. Trillions of liquid isk flooding the wallets of highsec incursion runners fucks up the economy for everyone.



the only thing i see happen is everything gets expensive in eve, even a frigate to do PVP with. Do you think people like to pay sub for EVE and then have to pay real money for a plex to get ISK at the market to do PVP? people who have a job dont have that much time to grind so it is better for everyone that ships are cheap. If you guy's want to fill pocket with isk, let CCP make EVE free to play, alot grinders will enter eve i will buy isk from ccp and buy cheap ships. 30K extra or more grinders single real players becouse free to play extra or even more and 10K people spend 20$/month for isk to do cheap PVP. i like that idea.
must be fun 10K extra miners 1OK extra mission and incursion runners all floading the market Twisted and 10K extra people who can do cheap PVP for only 20$ instead now the expensive 35$ and buying expensive ships from station dweilers.
mustafa ahmed han
maharajin
#44 - 2015-01-26 08:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: mustafa ahmed han
people are pushing EVE into a F2P MMO becouse CCP is gona be forced to do so, and no they not gona sell it to some vet player group who his own purpose was to riot vs CCP and brake the game, they gona sell it to SOE, EA or even blizzard and then it becomes F2P and if blizzard owns it we have carebears and panda's Shocked so as a community we must save EVE and not destroy it

you guy's should RIOT against NUL sec bears, go gank them on daily base non stop 24/7 becouse they are the reason EVE is stagnant not the real carebears. they can provide you guy's with cheap ships to do so :p we should all fight null and get them of their lazy AFK buts. because we are high sec we deserve a place in EVE and we should fight for it. i bet even people from the BRONX (low sec) would help you guy's with that.
prutzilla
Muhajin
#45 - 2015-01-26 08:38:20 UTC
My brother and i came back to EvE, the first thing we ware planning was ganking a miner, and my by brother did.
but we paid back the miner his barge, because we felt bad after reading all the hatred against miners and carebears and so we apologized and said; we are verry sorry we just came back to eve and play the easy way because we ware cool people. And after reading all what happend to EVE and the carebear people, we have chosen to be not cool anymore, we want to spout rainbows out of our asses so we paid back 40million isk. And now we support VEERS and all who does becouse he stand up for the weak, my brothers and i do that IRL.
Catalytic morphisis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2015-01-26 09:26:48 UTC
Don't know where that comes from Veers, I find Cannibal Kane to be a friendly and well mannered chap

Actual Link free and scout free solo PvP'er
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-01-26 09:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
prutzilla wrote:
And now we support VEERS and all who does becouse he stand up for the weak, my brothers and i do that IRL.
You have got to be trolling....

Despite all of his bluster and bullshit, most of which is to disguise his self serving nature, Veers cares for nothing except aggrandising himself.

On topic, well played Anti Gankers. In this instance I think both yourselves and CODE. can declare a win; yourselves for creating some content, and CODE. for pushing people such as yourselves into doing so.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-01-26 12:59:39 UTC
mustafa ahmed han wrote:


the only thing i see happen is everything gets expensive in eve, even a frigate to do PVP with. Do you think people like to pay sub for EVE and then have to pay real money for a plex to get ISK at the market to do PVP? people who have a job dont have that much time to grind so it is better for everyone that ships are cheap. If you guy's want to fill pocket with isk, let CCP make EVE free to play, alot grinders will enter eve i will buy isk from ccp and buy cheap ships. 30K extra or more grinders single real players becouse free to play extra or even more and 10K people spend 20$/month for isk to do cheap PVP. i like that idea.
must be fun 10K extra miners 1OK extra mission and incursion runners all floading the market Twisted and 10K extra people who can do cheap PVP for only 20$ instead now the expensive 35$ and buying expensive ships from station dweilers.


Sir, you seem to have missed the point of EVE. Losses matter here, that's why we play it. You also don't understand the PLEX model, even at the very basic level. You don't just buy one with ISK. Someone else has to purchase it with real money first. The more people make in game, the MORE a PLEX costs in ISK, not the other way around. The more ISK people have, the more everything costs.

Its what us adults (yes, whom have jobs) refer to as 'inflation".

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Antipithicus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2015-01-26 13:52:20 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
seeing gankers move up to battlecruisers is not a victory,..


This is pure propaganda.

Yes it is. It hurts them in their pocketbook. Just glad to do it. Since they hide behid CONCORD, and hide in Noob corps, this is how it has to be done.

Bronson Hughes wrote:
their goal is to inspire capsuleers away from bot-aspirism


I have to point out a mis-truth when I see it.

Corporate contract scams to lure in non-bot victims does not further this "goal."
Bumping helpless freighters to extract ransom money does not further this "goal."
Blind suicide ganking of freighters does not further this "goal."

Psst, I have a secret for you. Bots aren't generally very receptive to ransom demands or corporate contract scams.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#50 - 2015-01-26 14:46:40 UTC
Antipithicus wrote:
Since they hide behind CONCORD, and hide in Noob corps
The same can be said of their targets; what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2015-01-26 15:14:18 UTC
Antipithicus wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
seeing gankers move up to battlecruisers is not a victory,..


This is pure propaganda.

Yes it is. It hurts them in their pocketbook. Just glad to do it. Since they hide behid CONCORD, and hide in Noob corps, this is how it has to be done.

Bronson Hughes wrote:
their goal is to inspire capsuleers away from bot-aspirism


I have to point out a mis-truth when I see it.

Corporate contract scams to lure in non-bot victims does not further this "goal."
Bumping helpless freighters to extract ransom money does not further this "goal."
Blind suicide ganking of freighters does not further this "goal."

Psst, I have a secret for you. Bots aren't generally very receptive to ransom demands or corporate contract scams.


He isn't calling them bots. He is saying "bot-aspirant". Meaning aspiring to be like a bot. Not the same thing.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-01-26 16:45:17 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Solonius Rex wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Just saying, no one, and I mean absolutely no one should feel good about themselves when Veers consistently praises your actions.

It should, in fact, trigger a thorough re-examination of your priorities.


Roll

If you had bothered to, you know, actually read what I wrote, then you would realize that I oppose the AG fleets. The mechanics make them non-viable, and all they do is frustrate the FC's, like Gorila, and lead to them either quitting AG, quitting the game, or joining the bad guys. Notice that I have never participated in such endeavors.

My approach is to simply avoid risky occupations like hauling, and stick to the relatively risk free incursion and mission running. That is why Veers keeps on winning,and code keeps on losing.


How has code "Lost" to you? Thats kinda like saying "Black legion has never killed me before, therefore they lost, and I won."


An excellent question, sir. Code declared a campaign against highsec incursion runners, to force them to either buy permits and follow the trollific code, or to leave highsec entirely. Incursion runners refused to play ball, and dared code to do their worst. 4 months later, and after a countless number of incompetently performed failed gank attempts, code has given up and decided to go pick on pathetic miners and haulers. That is a huge victory for me specifically, and for highsec incursion runners more generally. Standing up to the biggest grief group in highsec and forcing them to concede unconditional defeat is a pretty huge win for the good guys.


You still havent answered my question. How did they lose to "you"? Did they try to gank you repeatedly, and fail every time? I dont see any code kills on your killboard.

Furthermore, has code never successfully killed an incursion ship? Whats the isk loss to isk killed ratio? Cause even one incursion ship can be worth 2-3 billion easily.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#53 - 2015-01-26 16:45:44 UTC
Antipithicus wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
seeing gankers move up to battlecruisers is not a victory,..


This is pure propaganda.

Yes it is. It hurts them in their pocketbook. Just glad to do it. Since they hide behid CONCORD, and hide in Noob corps, this is how it has to be done.

My point was that gankers will use battlecruisers to gank freighters with or without the presence of a strong opposition force. Yes, using battlecruisers costs them more, but it's not really a victory because they would have done it anyways. The OP claiming victory here is rather akin to killmail whoring: doing 0% damage, but claiming the kill, which would have happened anyways, as their own.

Antipithicus wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
their goal is to inspire capsuleers away from bot-aspirism


I have to point out a mis-truth when I see it.

Corporate contract scams to lure in non-bot victims does not further this "goal."
Bumping helpless freighters to extract ransom money does not further this "goal."
Blind suicide ganking of freighters does not further this "goal."

Psst, I have a secret for you. Bots aren't generally very receptive to ransom demands or corporate contract scams.

Had you included my entire quote, you'd see that I was speaking of their quasi-religious code. The New Code of Halaima is, more or less, directed at purging EvE of "Bot Aspirants", meaning those who aspire to being bots. There is no mistruth there. Also, blind suicide ganking of empty freighters absolutely does further the goal as it is an attempt on their part to discourage autopiloting and/or AFK hauling. I do agree that many of their other behaviors do not necessarily further their quasi-religious ends, but they are not prohibited by them either.


Keep in mind, I am no supporter of the CODE. I recognize them for what they are, mostly stay out of their way, and occasionally shoot at them to help keep them on their toes. I too have my own style of play that discourages AFK-play, but it's not some bloated, political, threadnaught-spawning, drama machine.

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Ramcath
Boulder Shoulders Industries
#54 - 2015-01-26 20:19:04 UTC
It's funny reading all the different threads, all the different views on bumping, pirating, Code, anti-ganking, etc. It's also funny to see the Dev responses that become so vague that any interpretation is left wide open to both sides of an argument claiming that the Devs are on their side (i.e. Dev responses on 'bumping'). This is not their fault in their intent, at least I think that CCP is leaving open the doors of a ruling on harassment, etc., so they can judge each time per circumstances.

I come to this thread and read all kinds of different views on where the game is going to end up if Code keeps doing what they're doing in hi-sec, and the push for Eve to become a free MMO model like others out there, and how this would devastate the game, etc.

I truly believe that ALL the problems, from bumping, Code, ganking, anti-ganking (and please keep in mind I say these are 'problems' simply because they are topics of discussions and viewed as problems) would be solved if two things were allowed. Give freighters the ability to use Capital Drones (a means to defend themselves without escorts, since escorts is not always feasible) and allow for anyone under -2.0 security status to be attacked in hi-sec.

1. Capital Drones - this elilminates ANYONE from ever saying they couldn't defend themselves

2. -2.0 security - this would ENCOURAGE hi-sec anti-gank fleets to form more easily

The first option is just so no freighter pilot can claim harassment, file petitions, etc. Using capital drones you may survive a 5 man gank fleet, but not much more. This means ganking fleets need to be more organized.

Second option allows for more hi-sec pvp, plus a lot more intrigue as anti-ganking fleets form up more quickly with random pilots, but also allows for more spies into those fleets. You allow for more pilots to get involved on both sides, allows carebears, who may simply believe they can't do pvp because they don't have the skills for it, to get involved and take part of pvp so they in turn can gain confidence to move into low-sec, null-sec.

Yes, there are pros and cons to both ideas, but at the end of the day give the pvp community what they truly want, more fights, but allow the hi-sec pilots to actually be ABLE to fight. I don't mind losing a freighter, just wish I had the ability to to fight 5 catalysts, and I don't think that's unreasonable.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#55 - 2015-01-26 20:39:47 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:


You still havent answered my question. How did they lose to "you"? Did they try to gank you repeatedly, and fail every time? I dont see any code kills on your killboard.

Furthermore, has code never successfully killed an incursion ship? Whats the isk loss to isk killed ratio? Cause even one incursion ship can be worth 2-3 billion easily.


They tried to gank incursions ships...failed...and gave up. Victory in Eve isn't about KB's...it's about accomplishing your objectives. I did, and code did not...that is a victory for Veers.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#56 - 2015-01-26 21:52:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Ramcath wrote:
Something that belongs in Features and Ideas
If you feel that your idea has merit you should post it in the Features and Ideas forum where it belongs; something Veers has consistently refused to do with his, he must feel that it lacks merit or something Roll

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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2015-01-27 01:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vapor Ventrillian
As a Witness to this fleet the scattered remnants of the Code gankers was a regular sight for me but this was quite enjoyable to see

they came out of the shadows and sent the gankers to the four winds leaving a trail of freed ships in their wake

an impressive sight

well done

o7

The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#58 - 2015-01-27 02:59:22 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Ramcath wrote:
Something that belongs in Features and Ideas
If you feel that your idea has merit you should post it in the Features and Ideas forum where it belongs; something Veers has consistently refused to do with his, he must feel that it lacks merit or something Roll


Been too lazy...may do it soon...stay tuned folks
Dar'Nalaa
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-01-27 03:47:32 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Antipithicus wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
seeing gankers move up to battlecruisers is not a victory,..


This is pure propaganda.

Yes it is. It hurts them in their pocketbook. Just glad to do it. Since they hide behid CONCORD, and hide in Noob corps, this is how it has to be done.

My point was that gankers will use battlecruisers to gank freighters with or without the presence of a strong opposition force. Yes, using battlecruisers costs them more, but it's not really a victory because they would have done it anyways. The OP claiming victory here is rather akin to killmail whoring: doing 0% damage, but claiming the kill, which would have happened anyways, as their own.

Antipithicus wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
their goal is to inspire capsuleers away from bot-aspirism


I have to point out a mis-truth when I see it.

Corporate contract scams to lure in non-bot victims does not further this "goal."
Bumping helpless freighters to extract ransom money does not further this "goal."
Blind suicide ganking of freighters does not further this "goal."

Psst, I have a secret for you. Bots aren't generally very receptive to ransom demands or corporate contract scams.

Had you included my entire quote, you'd see that I was speaking of their quasi-religious code. The New Code of Halaima is, more or less, directed at purging EvE of "Bot Aspirants", meaning those who aspire to being bots. There is no mistruth there. Also, blind suicide ganking of empty freighters absolutely does further the goal as it is an attempt on their part to discourage autopiloting and/or AFK hauling. I do agree that many of their other behaviors do not necessarily further their quasi-religious ends, but they are not prohibited by them either.


Keep in mind, I am no supporter of the CODE. I recognize them for what they are, mostly stay out of their way, and occasionally shoot at them to help keep them on their toes. I too have my own style of play that discourages AFK-play, but it's not some bloated, political, threadnaught-spawning, drama machine.


My victory or our victory was people power, after our force stopped one gank so the next gank fleet had more battle cruisers and more ecm, code are not silly and made for a changing game
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#60 - 2015-01-27 06:19:00 UTC
Good to see more fighting in highsec. CODE. gank fleets driving conflict as intended.

One day, freighter pilots will bring their own combat escorts and not be dependent upon the support of random neutrals, especially neutrals of the calibre of the AG crowd. Hell, I always bring a combat-capable scout when moving a marauder through highsec, and that's both a cheaper ship than a freighter and one that is much less dependant upon support to drive off predators.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com