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Moving low volume items to Jita?
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Kale Raleigh
Sons of Khaled
#1 - 2015-01-26 20:09:52 UTC
I have 250 mill in exploring goods and I wanted to take them to Jita to sell. I know for most of you billionaires that's not a lot :p but currently it doubles my wallet. I want to know how I can get this to high sec without dying. I don't want to have to wait until the map is completely clear of ships destroyed in the last hour.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2015-01-26 20:13:12 UTC
Depending on the volume, get a covops or a blockade runner. Fly like you're in low-sec and everyone is after you. Use a longer route through a back entry gate into Jita. Don't tell anyone when you're flying, what you're flying and what you have in the hold, not even your friends.

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Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-26 20:13:13 UTC
Everyone in C&P is now running a locator agent on you best bet is to run for it and hope for the best. Check eve maps.dotlan and plan the shortest route to high and gun it

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-01-26 20:15:30 UTC
Kale Raleigh wrote:
I have 250 mill in exploring goods and I wanted to take them to Jita to sell. I know for most of you billionaires that's not a lot :p but currently it doubles my wallet. I want to know how I can get this to high sec without dying. I don't want to have to wait until the map is completely clear of ships destroyed in the last hour.


Assuming this is an alt as to not tell people who will be making the trip, are you affiliated with any large organisation? They might be able to help you out.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-01-26 20:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
1. Stop in the nearest highsec station.
2. Contract goods to courier service.
3. Set collateral around 400 million.
4. Wait for goods to be delivered.
5. Sell goods.

All the profit, none of the risk.

Both Red Frog and PushX are reliable, fairly quick, and reasonably inexpensive.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2015-01-26 20:46:35 UTC
Kale Raleigh wrote:
I have 250 mill in exploring goods....



Did anyone else read this as 'exploding goods'?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#7 - 2015-01-26 20:58:00 UTC
I assume you acquired these goods by running sites in a tanked frigate or cruiser. Either would be sufficient for hauling the loot to Jita. People don't generally bother to scan or target combat ships, and if you're manually piloting from gate to gate they won't have much time to lock you anyway in such small and fast ships.

Ships to avoid hauling in: rookie ships, shuttles, industrials, freighters.
Orlacc
#8 - 2015-01-26 21:12:06 UTC
Go to Amarr or Rens or Hek or Dodixie etc. instead.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-01-26 21:15:21 UTC
Kale Raleigh wrote:
I have 250 mill in exploring goods and I wanted to take them to Jita to sell. I know for most of you billionaires that's not a lot :p but currently it doubles my wallet. I want to know how I can get this to high sec without dying. I don't want to have to wait until the map is completely clear of ships destroyed in the last hour.

Wanna know a better way than almost anything that might be proposed to you?

load up that hauling ship, and take it to amarr, prices usually within 5% of jita, and theres almost NEVER people popping random ships by station, and theres NEVER an entrance queue
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2015-01-26 21:21:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
250 mil in a properly tanked badger/nereus/wreathe/sigil is more than fine. Blockade Runner would be better.

Setup a courier contract to Jita and over collateralize it then hope it gets ganked (or try to make sure it gets ganked) for even more profit than selling the stuff.

Take a 20% hit and don't move it, just put it up for bulk sale via contract.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2015-01-26 21:23:16 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Go to Amarr or Rens or Hek or Dodixie etc. instead.


What?!?! And avoid all the local spamming, gate traffic jamming grrrr all the things for reasons good times in Jita!?!?

Nariya Kentaya wrote:
load up that hauling ship, and take it to amarr, prices usually within 5% of jita, and theres almost NEVER people popping random ships by station, and theres NEVER an entrance queue


And lose out on that 5%!??!?!?!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Marsha Mallow
#12 - 2015-01-26 21:24:10 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
1. Stop in the nearest highsec station.
2. Contract goods to courier service.
3. Set collateral around 400 million.
4. Wait for goods to be delivered.
5. Sell goods.

All the profit, none of the risk.

Both Red Frog and PushX are reliable, fairly quick, and reasonably inexpensive.

^ This. Red Frog has a website tool that will calculate the haulage fee, just google it. I haven't used PushX but they sound reliablefrom what I've heard. RF have been awesome for me, to the point you can use them to outsource large portions of heavy industry chains, or relocate all of your stuff with minimal hassle. As long as you set the right collateral (I always mark up around 25% just to be on the safe side) the established courier groups are fairly solid.

If you have to do it yourself just take basic and obvious precautions. Use a tanky hauler (preferably with stabs and a cloak), don't afk the trip, try do it when the server is reasonably quiet (i.e. not on a weekend), check your route on the map and look for obvious hotspots for ganking, and if need be use a scout. It's not a bad exercise to do it yourself if you have the time tbh.

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Sturmwolke
#13 - 2015-01-26 21:42:24 UTC
Step 1:
Get into Jita with any cheap shuttle or newbie ship.
Make 2 bookmarks for a) Instadock* b) Insta-undock**
* Do not use the normal right-click on station boomark. Manually pilot and position the 0 m distance within station docking range. Test
** Offgrid insta-undock > 500-800km. Test.

Step 2:
Move stuffs in cloaky ships, preferably with 3-4secs align minimum.
Another alternative is smartbomb resistant interceptor/T1 frigate. These MUST be under 2secs align.
Blockade runners should be preferably tanked to resist 1 full Tornado 1400mm arty volley.
Do not ever use any T1 industrials unless you know the mechanics behind the MWD warp trick.
If you have too much volume, consider a heavily tanked deep space transports e.g Occator. No one will bother ganking it for a mere 250mil.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-01-26 21:58:36 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
Step 1:
Get into Jita with any cheap shuttle or newbie ship.
Make 2 bookmarks for a) Instadock* b) Insta-undock**
* Do not use the normal right-click on station boomark. Manually pilot and position the 0 m distance within station docking range. Test
** Offgrid insta-undock > 500-800km. Test.

Step 2:
Move stuffs in cloaky ships, preferably with 3-4secs align minimum.
Another alternative is smartbomb resistant interceptor/T1 frigate. These MUST be under 2secs align.
Blockade runners should be preferably tanked to resist 1 full Tornado 1400mm arty volley.
Do not ever use any T1 industrials unless you know the mechanics behind the MWD warp trick.
If you have too much volume, consider a heavily tanked deep space transports e.g Occator. No one will bother ganking it for a mere 250mil.

This and only this!

I prefer the medium shield <2s interceptor with warp speed rigs. Take a time with lower population in New Eden, so your chance getting stuck at the Jita gate are lower, if it happens spam the jump button twice per second.

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#15 - 2015-01-26 23:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
You will be fine. The main thing to avoid is autopilot. Giving the ISK value means very little. M3 is the core number. A Battlecruiser or even a Cruiser can haul a lot of stuff and you can Kin/ Therm tank it to 90%. When was the last time you saw anyone gank with Amarr ships? Ganking relies on Autopilot and bump mechanics. If you are warping at the keyboard and in an unlikely loot pinata you will be fine.

Another element, go to Jita 4, IV in a pod from Perimeter.
Undock and create a bookmark. Call it the Warp to 4, IV bookmark.

4, IV is one of those warp to 0 but really warp to 2500 and slow boat in with more than enough time for someone to pop a weak tank. The warp to bookmark is as crucial as the insta out of 4, IV.
Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2015-01-26 23:50:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Skydell wrote:
Ganking relies on Autopilot and bump mechanics.
Not sure if you are trying to mislead the OP but I don't rely on either of these and kill people in his scenario on pretty much a daily basis. Although, they are mostly loot pinatas.

Skydell wrote:
When was the last time you saw anyone gank with Amarr ships?

Oracle is quite effective for killing failfit Occators. Although it is quite rare.

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#17 - 2015-01-27 00:04:37 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Ganking relies on Autopilot and bump mechanics.
Not sure if you are trying to mislead the OP but I don't rely on either of these and kill people in his scenario on pretty much a daily basis.

Skydell wrote:
When was the last time you saw anyone gank with Amarr ships?

Oracle is quite effective for killing failfit Occators. Although it is quite rare.


No you don't, not using the additional suggestions I made.

Or if you do, feel free to show me where you pop Kin/ Therm cruisers and battlecruisers in High Sec.

I run Jita to Essence all the time. Billions in hold. Never been ganked.

Be sure to try and skeer me with some rubbish about how you plan to sick a locator agent on me.
Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2015-01-27 00:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Your comment was just as relevant without adding in that mis-leading statement, that was my point. If I was going to go to the effort to gank a BC, I would not worry about bumping it or rely on them auto-piloting, I would simply round up enough firepower to perform it on the gate.

FYI, my comments about locator agents are mostly just meta-goofing around, I've never actually done it before. I wouldn't waste my time hunting someone down for something they said on the forums unless they were really asking for it, if that were the case I wouldn't let them know I was coming for them.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#19 - 2015-01-27 00:48:39 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Your comment was just as relevant without adding in that mis-leading statement, that was my point.

FYI, my comments about locator agents are mostly just meta, I've never actually done it before. I wouldn't waste my time hunting someone down for something they said on the forums unless they were really asking for it, if that were the case I wouldn't let them know I was coming for them.


The trouble with making any comments on these forums is there is a potential to bog it down with mindless minutiae.

There is a 22 second Concord delay in .5 space. People lose freighters, full blue fit Golems because of it. I saw a killmail a week ago. The guy had an Impel full tank, 4 points of warp stab and lost it anyway because EVE and because blow stuff up.

No, OP you should huddle in terror in your station and never undock. It's a terror out there. Nothing is safe Roll
Paranoid Loyd
#20 - 2015-01-27 01:05:53 UTC
What you see as mindless minutiae, I see as discussing the finer points of what is possible and what is not. If you don't want to discuss it then don't post. Your comments with the understanding both you and I have of the mechanics are fine, but in the context of the OP, they are misleading, if you don't agree with that fine, there is no need to get butthurt and post some black and white comment about not un-docking. That was not my point at all.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
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