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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#21 - 2011-12-19 10:50:17 UTC
Ender Sai wrote:
I am just posting to get in with the vibe.

Caldari has some seriously cool boats.

But.....

Long range, poor dps rail platforms that are on the slowest ships in the game. Like what's up with that? It is stupid. Like shoot-yourself-in-the-head stupid.


Hooray for the Naga - doing rails Right™.
Koen L
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-12-19 10:58:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Koen L
Patri Andari wrote:
Riphlan Tor wrote:
Ohhhh. Good catch.

Not Javelin, but Bloodclaw Precisions. I didn't realize they had a speed penalty. And of course, I didn't have them loaded in the fitter, hence the discrepancy.

Thanks guys!


CCP hates Caldari missile ships



Confirming this. Look at the naga. Why caldari has to skill turrets now ?

♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♪ ♫ And you lose your Faction fits ♪ \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
vorneus
Hub2
#23 - 2011-12-19 12:30:47 UTC
Koen L wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:
Riphlan Tor wrote:
Ohhhh. Good catch.

Not Javelin, but Bloodclaw Precisions. I didn't realize they had a speed penalty. And of course, I didn't have them loaded in the fitter, hence the discrepancy.

Thanks guys!


CCP hates Caldari missile ships



Confirming this. Look at the naga. Why caldari has to skill turrets now ?


Caldari pilots don't "have" to skill turrets. They have never had to skill turrets if they didn't want to fly any of the (many) Caldari turret platforms.

There's just one extra one now. The good thing about it is that it actually works.

-Ed

This one time, I like, totally did some stuff.
Koen L
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-12-19 15:38:47 UTC


[/quote]
Confirming this. Look at the naga. Why caldari has to skill turrets now ?[/quote]

Caldari pilots don't "have" to skill turrets. They have never had to skill turrets if they didn't want to fly any of the (many) Caldari turret platforms.

There's just one extra one now. The good thing about it is that it actually works.

-Ed[/quote]
Ok, how you want fly the naga without skilling turrets ? I loved the naga on testsever with Torpedos. I miss that.

♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♪ ♫ And you lose your Faction fits ♪ \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
Goose99
#25 - 2011-12-19 15:49:30 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Caldari have the most used PVP ship. The best tech III, falcons and plenty more. Stop being clueless thanks.

The drake is only the most used pvp ship, because of the freakin' low sp requirements.
But that doesn't make the drake any good at all.


According to CCP stats, drake is the ship that get popped the most in Eve.Lol

...and cane is the ship doing the most popping. Winmatar wins!Cool
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#26 - 2011-12-19 17:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Koen L wrote:
Ok, how you want fly the naga without skilling turrets ? I loved the naga on testsever with Torpedos. I miss that.


Not this again. The torp Naga was a travesty.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#27 - 2011-12-19 17:42:57 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
Berendas wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:
Riphlan Tor wrote:
Ohhhh. Good catch.

Not Javelin, but Bloodclaw Precisions. I didn't realize they had a speed penalty. And of course, I didn't have them loaded in the fitter, hence the discrepancy.

Thanks guys!


CCP hates Caldari missile ships





*cough*DrakeTenguRaven*cough*


Not sure what you mean by this, but my point is that CCP blatantly worships turret ships and has done nothing to make missile ships viable for PVP.

Drake is and has always been primarily a PVE ship. Its usefulness in PVP is not because of any interdiction by CCP but because the pklayerbase grew some balls and found a way to make it useful. This has caused CCP to openly discuss ways to nerf it.

Tengu is a great PVE ship. Full stop.

Raven is laughed at in most fleets.

T2 missiles still have all their ship penalties.

Not to mention there is no pirate ship that excels at missiles, so yeah. They hate Caldari missile ships.



Drake stopped being a pure PvE ship. It's a jack of all trades at this point.

To be honest some of the problems with Caldari missile ships is that they're hard as **** to fit. IE. Caracal. AML caracals are good to go really, and some of the gnarliest frig/destroyer killers out there. HML caracals will suffer from "can only attack at 100km or else will die in a horrible fire because it has no tank" syndrome. HAM caracals... I don't know, I've never managed to formulate a fit without loads and loads of grid mods that completely ruin the fit. Kestrel? Used to have a little more DPS than the Merlin, but the Merlin IMO is better because, like the Caracal, the Kestrel is papery thin. And also seems to suffer minor fitting issues. Hawk is borderline useless, and only sees action in the form of doing 2/10s really. Though arguably that's due to the misplaced shield boost bonus.

Drake and Tengu are exceptional, and see usage in both PvE and PvP.

Raven is slow, it's weapons move in slow motion, and it has problems applying DPS. I've also heard tales of lackluster buffer capabilities on it, outshone by... Almost everything else. For the faction whose special side-gimmick is missiles, I find it odd that the Raven is given less respect than the Typhoon.

Forgot to mention the Cerberus. Apparently, it's actually ok. Though there is something fundamentally wrong with sniping using missiles, and the Cerberus, like the Caracal, seems to be designed to have no tank. And that's dumb, because no other faction seems to have that pattern.
Gorefacer
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#28 - 2011-12-20 04:44:45 UTC
Without a lot of experience in other race ships I can't say definitively that the Drake is good or bad comparatively. However when I use the Drake I don't feel lacking in DPS tackle or tank for the most part or in danger or outclassed against other BCs.

When it first came out I had a great time with the torp Raven, but the only time I get to use it now is if I'm in a drunk **** it ~3man gang. I've always wanted to convince 3 or 4 others to roll my torp raven fit, each primary would get a TP a heavy neut and 1150 DPS on them with each Raven holding an OK ~105k EHP tank. Would only work in smaller close range fights most likely though.

Rails will be interesting to use with the Naga, but I wish blasters were more viable since I don't really enjoy sniping as much as close range fights where theres a bunch of warping off and cat and mouse going on blueballing me. From what I can tell the Naga folds quick when caught anywhere near close to anyone so I'd have to assume that blaster Nagas will be fairly short lived in most encounters. Someone correct me if Im wrong though please.
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-12-20 05:59:39 UTC
Nagas have plenty of midslots. A non-awful blaster naga ought to have tank that's fairly similar to a shield-tanked hurricane. So they're not that fragile but definitely nowhere in the league of something like a drake.
Gorefacer
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#30 - 2011-12-21 01:51:27 UTC
Smabs wrote:
Nagas have plenty of midslots. A non-awful blaster naga ought to have tank that's fairly similar to a shield-tanked hurricane. So they're not that fragile but definitely nowhere in the league of something like a drake.


Hmm OK thanks. I'm sure Ill try it out at some point.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#31 - 2011-12-21 04:07:38 UTC
Ender Sai wrote:
I am just posting to get in with the vibe.

Caldari has some seriously cool boats.

But.....

Long range, poor dps rail platforms that are on the slowest ships in the game. Like what's up with that? It is stupid. Like shoot-yourself-in-the-head stupid.


Just to add...

Not only the slowest but they have the least hull, least armor and the biggest asses (highest sig radius) of all ships. Ships with larger hulls and armor should have lower agility and speed. (space maths Shocked)



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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-12-21 04:30:04 UTC
Who started this with : Slow Crow?
Ender Sai
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-01-01 18:58:18 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Ender Sai wrote:
I am just posting to get in with the vibe.

Caldari has some seriously cool boats.

But.....

Long range, poor dps rail platforms that are on the slowest ships in the game. Like what's up with that? It is stupid. Like shoot-yourself-in-the-head stupid.


Hooray for the Naga - doing rails Right™.


This is true.

The Naga has a bonus that compensates for a rails shortcoming.

I often wonder if a Moa would be better off with a damage bonus and a Thorax a range bonus (to falloff). Both bonuses compensate for a shortcoming of the preferred hybrid platform like the cap bonus for lasers on amarr boats.
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