Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you can blow it up but no defence? its my building i cant defend it from every passing annoyance so y cant i upgrade it for a few guns ? or ecm towers w/e

if its a upgrade or a bigger more expansive office i dont care i just want guns on it


this is more so a problem if dust 514 will force fights to take place around the office much like a pos

since people can hot drop cap fleets left and right just for fun 30 min to form up and get there provided your even online best case seniro you get there after its in reinforced then when it comes out and you have a fleet once again theres no home field advantage the same problem with 0.0 war fair since day 1

still dissagree but im not gonna argue it any further with you

did they not come out with dominion to end spamming and bashing towers all day how is this any diffrent? y not give the office less health and more guns

Dominion was not to provide small gangs a target to attack. It did a number of things, primarily making sov warfare (which is always, by design, a blob-level type of warfare) more fluid by stopping people from having to bash infinite POSes.

As to your second point...because by giving it less health and more guns would sharply reduce the burden on you, the owner, to defend it. I'm sure CCP (and the attackers) would rather encourage fleet-on-fleet fights rather than fleet-on-static-guns fights.

The problem with your whole idea is that it's based on a faulty premise. You don't think you should have to go out and defend your POCOs when they're under attack. CCP, and I, and everyone else in this thread, disagree with you.

[quote=Ethereal did they not come out with dominion to end spamming and bashing towers all day how is this any diffrent? [/quote]


yes, yes they did. TCU, no guns. SBU's, no guns. Ihubs, no guns. See the trend there? No guns.

thank you for this reply it was far more of a real debate type of reply not smart ass comments

the idea of the guns is not to defend it for me from all threats its more so to keep low standing and 3/4 man gangs from harassing it getting near it..

if a 10 or 15 man fleet showes up your screwed till your fleet gets there either way its not so much changing the current set up as the same size fleets will be needed to drop it its only adding a touch of practicality and control over the space around your stuf

and again with dust 514 somming to make the co the center of the fight much like pos's y would they not have a gun
as for the tcu's and other sov bulidings the other guy spoke of they should all have guns as well

and the last post i agree with #1 but not 2 you cant go without that

in a fortress the defenders stand on and behind the wall there not the wall itself

everything you just said is soported by poco guns. less grinding for the large fleet due to less hp. small gangs day is a lil harder due to the need to avoid the simple guns and less harassing or spamming my mail box. i realy dont see the argument with not having them you all seem to be missing the point totaly as the guns do not change the size of the fleet required to take it down nether dose it raise the amount of "grinding" it only turns a damage sponge into a more realistic target

a small fleet can still bait it or disable guns in prep for a larger fleet it just has to be better thought out befor doing so hence more "dynamic" pvp

pluss if the only use for a solo or small gang is anoying my mail box or takeing advantage of the games lack of better mecnicimes "<--no idea how to spell that lol" then dont stupify the rest of the game to soport it

more guns and less hp

Why shouldn't 3-4 man gangs be able to threaten your POCO? It's unlikely that they're just going to shoot it for ***** and giggles as it gives them a GCC which makes gate guns hostile and locks them out of jumping for the next 15 minutes. Even still, it's not like guns will instakill anything that shows up. If they really just wanted to spam your inbox they could still do it. they just might take a minuscule amount of shield damage doing it.

Why should attackers need a full gang of 15 to even begin to threaten your POCO? Besides, it takes ages for 3-4 people to go through a POCO you have more than enough time to show up and chase them off.

If 3-4 men are shooting your POCO, they're probably trying to take it down and by extension you should have to go defend it.



The POCO is not a fortress. To take this medieval analogy further, a POS is the castle/fortress, and the POCO is the bunch of undefended farms sitting just outside the castle that the attackers can loot, pillage and burn at will unless the defenders stop hiding in their castle and come out to fight.



No, it's not just a damage sponge. POCOs have plenty of defense, in the form of defense fleets. POSes have guns because they are fortresses. They are bases. You put ships and modules and other important assets in them. POSes, even without guns, can be worth hundreds of millions if not billions of ISK depending on what you're using them for, which is why they can defend themselves.

The POCO is a piece of infrastructure. It's a tool you use to make money, a CHEAP tool you use to make money, and a tool that allows you to extract income from friends/neutrals using 'your' planet. Cheap moneymaking tools do not need their own protection. PI is already a very passive income stream, the least you can do is actively defend it.

Firstly, stop invoking DUST. You don't know how DUST mechanics are going to work exactly, I'm sure even CCP doesn't even know all that much yet. Introducing mechanics NOW to support dust mechanics is dumb.


The POCO is in no way a planetary 'command center' (what does that even mean?) You don't store ships, mods, or anything else vaulable in a POCO. The POCO is exclusively a middleman between your ship and the delicious industry below.

You can technically have valuable stuff sitting in the POCO, but it should never be there longer than the time it takes you to warp there and scoop it into your hold. POCOs are not for long-term storage like POSes are.