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Concord is now inconsequential...

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Figur Edd
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-01-26 04:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Figur Edd
link to reddit thread about avoiding the brunt of concords impact in highsec

Apperantly a Guy banned for using a technique that allowd him to ignore the full effect of Concorde punishment to gank in highsec has been unbanned and is currently continuing to use this technique to bank ppl with no defender possible "due to mechanics".

Ccp please do Something About this, otherwise if this gets widespread you might as Well remove freighters and bowheads from highsec.
Corey Lean
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-01-26 04:27:02 UTC
How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime. That guy loses like 8 ships to kill one.

Those my friend are some consequences.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-26 04:29:08 UTC
Because we needed another thread on hyperdunking.

Especially one which does nothing but link to another thread on hyperdunking.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#4 - 2015-01-26 04:29:53 UTC
Corey Lean wrote:
How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime.

By losing 8 inconsequential ships to kill one very consequential ship.

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#5 - 2015-01-26 04:37:10 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Corey Lean wrote:
How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime.

By losing 8 inconsequential ships to kill one very consequential ship.

Losing 8 ships isn't inconsequential unless they're rookie ships.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2015-01-26 04:37:45 UTC
Corey Lean wrote:
How can it be inconsequential when you lose your ship everytime. That guy loses like 8 ships to kill one.

Those my friend are some consequences.


Do you whine because it uses ammo to kill a ship, too?

Of course not. It's the cost of shooting things and you factor it in.

Just like the gank ship is a factored in cost. Think of it as a bigger piece of ammo. And just as inconsequential.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-01-26 04:40:40 UTC
That's just your anti-cat pro-freighter bias speaking. Why don't we keep it civil, I won't call your ships of choice inconsequential and you won't call my ones inconsequential. We will come to the middle ground and agree that we're both uniquely special and that my ship is as consequential as yours, meaning that because he lost 8 of them he was punished very severely indeed.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#8 - 2015-01-26 04:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
meaning that because he lost 8 of them he was punished very severely indeed.

"He" didn't lose eight of them. He lost one.

Unless you're accusing him of doing what CCP specifically banned just this month.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-01-26 04:58:08 UTC
Oh for the love of god. People find a way to shoot things in a thing shooting game. There is no safety. Get the **** over it.

Kudos to the guy for finding a workaround.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#10 - 2015-01-26 04:58:46 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
meaning that because he lost 8 of them he was punished very severely indeed.

"He" didn't lose eight of them. He lost one.

Unless you're accusing him of doing what CCP specifically banned just this month.

Mr Epeen Cool


CCP has not publicly banned it this month. We don't know what was exchanged between CCP and the catalyst pilot. CCP may have told him the ban was in error and said what he did was okay.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#11 - 2015-01-26 05:01:38 UTC
so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done

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Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#12 - 2015-01-26 05:21:33 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done



Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go
"Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes."

Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again.

Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation.

LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-01-26 05:40:22 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done



Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go
"Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes."

Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again.

Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation.

LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT



lol, Carebears run eve. Without carebears there is no pvp... think about it. Unless you want to play rookie ship online and have nothing to fight over

The real problem here is that this guy can use an alt to perma-bump the large ship forever and all he had to do was shoot with a fresh ship every 15 minutes to keep him from logging off. Totally broken. I don't care how epic you think your mission is here, but no one can say current log-off/bump/concord mechanics are ok.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#14 - 2015-01-26 05:47:44 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Shailagh wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done



Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go
"Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes."

Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again.

Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation.

LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT



lol, Carebears run eve. Without carebears there is no pvp... think about it. Unless you want to play rookie ship online and have nothing to fight over

The real problem here is that this guy can use an alt to perma-bump the large ship forever and all he had to do was shoot with a fresh ship every 15 minutes to keep him from logging off. Totally broken. I don't care how epic you think your mission is here, but no one can say current log-off/bump/concord mechanics are ok.


Afk ratting in null brings more minerals and ships than hisec miners and missioners and freighters dude. Game would survive just fine without despite my entire joy in life and reason for being is to grief and destroy them.... Agent Smith said "there are levels of survival we are willing to adapt too" or something like that bout killimg all all the humans in matrix even tho they "needed" them.

Theres no way to fix bumping dude. Its been debated for literaly years. No good solution. Also IF THE DUDE WASNT AFK /HAD FRIENDS HE WOULDNT DIE. This tactic basivally needs afk/logged off freighter.
Jim Pooley
Swiss Army Spoons
#15 - 2015-01-26 06:12:31 UTC
I stopped reading at "reddit".
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-01-26 06:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Market McSelling Alt
Shailagh wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Shailagh wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done



Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go
"Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes."

Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again.

Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation.

LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT



lol, Carebears run eve. Without carebears there is no pvp... think about it. Unless you want to play rookie ship online and have nothing to fight over

The real problem here is that this guy can use an alt to perma-bump the large ship forever and all he had to do was shoot with a fresh ship every 15 minutes to keep him from logging off. Totally broken. I don't care how epic you think your mission is here, but no one can say current log-off/bump/concord mechanics are ok.


Afk ratting in null brings more minerals and ships than hisec miners and missioners and freighters dude. Game would survive just fine without despite my entire joy in life and reason for being is to grief and destroy them.... Agent Smith said "there are levels of survival we are willing to adapt too" or something like that bout killimg all all the humans in matrix even tho they "needed" them.

Theres no way to fix bumping dude. Its been debated for literaly years. No good solution. Also IF THE DUDE WASNT AFK /HAD FRIENDS HE WOULDNT DIE. This tactic basivally needs afk/logged off freighter.



That is the dumbest thing I ever heard... Your argument is that Carebears don't run the game because people shooting red crosses in null sec is just as good... when in fact that is a carebear activity, one of the safest in the game.

By the way, those station eggs you will be doing all that "non-carebear" ship building in had to be built from materials somewhere.

The fact of this game is, without someone to make your ammo, research your bpo's, invent T2, haul the goods, make the goods and provide your ships there is no game.

All you guys are accomplishing is justifying the calls for nerfs to suicide ganking, and making high-sec even more carebear. If you want to gank a freighter, get 30 friends, don't be a jerk and do it using exploits.


Edit: How exactly does this guy counter the move of bumping alt and recycling cats to gank? He can't log off, he cant align and he cant get back to a gate... he is dead no matter what unless he can get a webbing alt and time his warp out.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#17 - 2015-01-26 06:42:33 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Shailagh wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Shailagh wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
so.. hit f12 make a ticket. Done



Why should the hundred thousand odd accounts all submit a ticket on this exact same issue? Wont that clog up gm time? Shouldnt ccp just go
"Hey guys, we temp banned globby pending investigation. We then found out that he doesnt evade concord consequences, that this isnt the same as the boomarang exploit and what he did is within legal game mechanics, so we unbanned his accounts and told him he can continue Hyperganking if he likes."

Cuz thats what happened. If they said it was illegal, he wouldnt be unbanned nor doing it again.

Its definatley legal if they remain quiet and he keeps it up after they obviously unbanned him on purpose after investigation.

LOL WORKONG AS INTENDED CAREBEARS. SUCK IT



lol, Carebears run eve. Without carebears there is no pvp... think about it. Unless you want to play rookie ship online and have nothing to fight over

The real problem here is that this guy can use an alt to perma-bump the large ship forever and all he had to do was shoot with a fresh ship every 15 minutes to keep him from logging off. Totally broken. I don't care how epic you think your mission is here, but no one can say current log-off/bump/concord mechanics are ok.


Afk ratting in null brings more minerals and ships than hisec miners and missioners and freighters dude. Game would survive just fine without despite my entire joy in life and reason for being is to grief and destroy them.... Agent Smith said "there are levels of survival we are willing to adapt too" or something like that bout killimg all all the humans in matrix even tho they "needed" them.

Theres no way to fix bumping dude. Its been debated for literaly years. No good solution. Also IF THE DUDE WASNT AFK /HAD FRIENDS HE WOULDNT DIE. This tactic basivally needs afk/logged off freighter.



That is the dumbest thing I ever heard... Your argument is that Carebears don't run the game because people shooting red crosses in null sec is just as good... when in fact that is a carebear activity, one of the safest in the game.

By the way, those station eggs you will be doing all that "non-carebear" ship building in had to be built from materials somewhere.

The fact of this game is, without someone to make your ammo, research your bpo's, invent T2, haul the goods, make the goods and provide your ships there is no game.

All you guys are accomplishing is justifying the calls for nerfs to suicide ganking, and making high-sec even more carebear. If you want to gank a freighter, get 30 friends, don't be a jerk and do it using exploits.


Edit: How exactly does this guy counter the move of bumping alt and recycling cats to gank? He can't log off, he cant align and he cant get back to a gate... he is dead no matter what unless he can get a webbing alt and time his warp out.


Omfg how to avoid being bumped as been beaten to death... dude can Have a scout! U wanna move several Billion isk around SOLO? Bad idea and theres a ton of risk. Have scout go 150k away from you and reverse align alt to warp out. Or just have web alt. Or go search for the counless buno threads and the dozens of ways to avoid it If You Are At your keyboard though and logged in!

Most og globbys kills are from afk dudes or dudes that got pissed and logged off. If they had backup to move the 10billion isk around, theyd still have you. Do you think tou should go fly ur super around solo? No.

Also can just have an alt gank frieghter himself in noobship to spawn concord. **** you can see thw catas there, MAYBE BUMP THEM AWAY URSLEF?? LOL holy **** wow what an idea? !? ! Bumo the catas...
But no

Youll just cry and complain cuz you cant play the game while you fold your laundry and watch netflix and when you comw back instead of having made a haul trip making millions ya lose billions.

IdUOT!
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#18 - 2015-01-26 07:25:48 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
That is the dumbest thing I ever heard... Your argument is that Carebears don't run the game because people shooting red crosses in null sec is just as good... when in fact that is a carebear activity, one of the safest in the game.

By the way, those station eggs you will be doing all that "non-carebear" ship building in had to be built from materials somewhere.

The fact of this game is, without someone to make your ammo, research your bpo's, invent T2, haul the goods, make the goods and provide your ships there is no game.

I am not sure why you think carebears are so special and the only people in the game with access to the industry menu. I produce all my stuff I need for ganking myself. Since you always have a 15min criminal timer between ganks this is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

This includes Catalyst hulls, t1/t2 guns, t1/t2 mag stabs, the invention needed for the t2 BPC, the components needed for the t2 modules, etc. . I need to buy very few materials on the market for this, because almost all the minerals needed drop from the very highsec carebears I kill. You even get the lowsec ore because of the ore anomalies.

It is even more convenient now to do this, since CCP has removed all the slot restrictions and buffed Highsec production that way. Now I can produce all the stuff on site for a faster, better and less expensive carebear dunking experience.

Evil RatKid
Siegfried Cohenberg
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling
Freighter Friends
#19 - 2015-01-26 07:31:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Siegfried Cohenberg
٩(｡•ω•｡)و hyperdunkuuuu ٩(｡•ω•｡)و

This is just really emergent gameplay imo.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2015-01-26 07:56:58 UTC
Posting in a very poorly disguised stealth remove ganking thread.
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