Player Features and Ideas Discussion

All thats needed Is a 1 hour refresh button that comes up prompting you to respond or cloak will auto turn off in 5 min .

Yes there would. lots of those page are generated by a very few people (the people who want ccp to hand them an advantage rather than using the tools the game has already provided). Millions of people have tried EVE over the last 11 years, and the vast majority of people who play EVE (past and present) never once post on the forums.

The fact that you have to fall back on fallacies as crutches (in this case "see, lots of posts about it so CCP should look at it and give me what I want") should be enough to show you the flaw in your thinking. That flaw leads you to a place where you'd rather see a whole game's balance altered (in your favor) rather than adapt.

I'm a PVE player (that's my way of saying I'm a massive carebear, my Saturday (yesterday) consisted of smiling while the wife and kids went to visit the in-laws and then doing no less than 3 Blood Raider Naval Shipyards with my buddy lol), but too many pve types are the greedy, grasping "lets get ccp to beat these pvp'rs we can't be arsed to fight" metagaming types that I can't personally stand.

The game has enough tools to make 'afk cloaking' completely harmless. Use them.

What is AFK cloaking:
AFK cloaking happens everywhere to have a break for many possible reasons. No need to talk about that.
We need to talk about the situation where AFK cloaking itself generates an effect and where the effect is intended.
Regions where AFK cloaking has small or no impact and where you won't see them because the lack of effect.

- Highsec
- Lowsec
- NPC space
- Wormhole systems
- PvP systems (Headquartes, Travelsystems...)
- Empty systems

Now there are mainly claimed systems left.
In this case we are talking about the special form of AFK cloaking which is known as AFK cloak camper.
Where do these cloak camper go: Mainly into industry systems known as carebear systems because of the easy targets.
Why are they such a thread: Because they will destroy the whole fleet on grid without loosing a single ship.

Encounter: None.
Moving to spare systems is useless the camper will follow you.
Having PvP ships is useless because at the time you board the ship the fleet is already gone.
Having piloted PvP ships is useless because you won't earn any Isk that way.
This applies at a certain degree to PvE aswell.

Efforts to encounter:
Log in, check for the camper and logout if still present. Kind of stupid game mechanic.
Move to another system. Isk and time consumption but useless in the end.
Do something else ingame. Maybe helpful for some days but not against the typical AFK cloak camper that usually stays for weeks.
Continue as usual. Leads into loosing all ships on the grid.
Switch to cheaper and better tanked ships. Still loosing some ships on grid but loosing less Isk and earning less Isk.

Since claimed systems take a huge effort to get and hold, the AFK cloak camper generates the best effect there.
How does this work: Spent one low skilled account to disturb the gameplay of let's say 20 ppl. by simply being AFK
all day and night and have a fleet ready once or twice at a certain point and time. (Does not have to be the own fleet).

The problem here is the intended effect WHILE being AFK, like botting without the need of software.

And here is the solution: Provide the industrial ships with firepower!

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So The systems Sov Owners can put up like " quantum beacons " that you could perform " metaphysic sweep's" to determine a general location of 20-50KM from a cloaked ship. Only able to be re-used after like a 15-30min cool down Allowing said alliance to warp and perform a physical search op?

No risk or reward for this type of actions...

I have noticed specific patterns, two of them to be specific, which seem to be important, if not foundational, to the complaints about so-called AFK cloaking.

1. System ownership delusion
The concept that the system itself, being claimed sov space, has some deeper meaning other than a name, and the permission to build POS structures and Outposts within it.
The advantage of sov is purely leverage. You do not gain control over the gates, although you can install a cyno jammer.
(Note: the fact that this jammer affects all regular cyno, regardless of affiliation, should help indicate the all or nothing nature of that mechanic)

The net effect of this, is that due to need to transport ships rather than operate out of a local protected source, hostile shipping requires more effort to reach your so-called space.
Adding in hostile gate camps blocking their progress, reaching that system for them is meaningfully more difficult, and only possible in specific hulls with any realistic expectation of success.

Regardless of the obstacles you can place in their path, however, in the eyes of CCP, they have as much right to be there as you do.

The simple truth is, ANYONE can cloak in that space, friendly OR hostile.
Friendly pilots simply have far less need to use a cloak, since they can often simple warp inside a POS's shields, or dock in an Outpost.
Hostile pilots, having been denied access to such services, cannot use them, but must rely exclusively on cloaking.

2. Assumption that the PvE ship being removed from consideration is expected, and not subject to negotiation.
Establishing above, how the space is openly accessible to all interested parties, the abject removal of the preferred PvE shipping targets from being considered, could be considered rude.
The pilots who needed to overcome the obstacles placed by you and your allies, rendering them unable to engage in PvP except at reduced capacity, are not there to simply fight the same ships they could have encountered at a gate camp or roam along the way.

Put simply, you don't get to complain about the cloaked pilot avoiding your superior firepower, when you made that same choice in the first place by docking your PvE craft upon their arrival.

The cloaked pilot arrived for the express purpose of threatening or directly attacking specific craft. They are under no obligation to accept substitutions, despite requests on these forums that the choice be taken from them.

Whats So Wrong with a Cloaked pilot Having to be just as proactive as the PvE? In another post i said your like the pot calling the kettle black because you say the Carebears are crying they wanna feel safe waa waaa but then your the one saying no no don't take my trolling tool away don't make me have to have any skill i wanna sit around not paying attention to anything because i got my cloak on.

There should be some skill to the cloaked pilot.

I quoted Terms from Star Trek showing that the idea that a cloaked ship is absolutely not able to be semi detected in some way is absurd.

Allowing Sov Owners to put up like " quantum beacons " that you could perform " metaphysic sweep's" to determine a general location of 20-50KM from a cloaked ship. Only able to be re-used after like a 30 Min cool down Allowing said alliance to warp and perform a physical search op?

Would make it still able to gather Intel and be undetected as to exactly where it's at it would just be a round-about location and would set the regular cloak apart of the covert-ops even more

With the game mechanics the way it is in you would be moving at a much faster travel speed with covert-ops so you should have a very good chance of not being found. You would see everyone else around you and be moving away. Also Black-op BS's would be super effective with the speed boosts.

I don't see any Dev guiding the discussion which would be a huge help to this issue. Helping advance the ideas rather than a lot of them buried under many pages of posts....

A Let's see, the PvE player docks up, and to outside awareness becomes inactive for all intents and purposes.
It is suspected the PvE player watches local, to see if the hostile name goes away.

B The cloaked player, engages that cloak, and is suspected of maintaining a non-stop vigil, as well as maintaining a significant group of allies on stand-by to hot drop with.

So, to an objective third party, who is actually more active?

So, the cloaked player, in order to dumb down the otherwise perfect intel provided by local... needs to sit visibly in system for 'a few days'.

And spending those few days, locking out all use of an account for other reasons, he can finally try to coordinate with some of his friends, and launch an attack.

Those few days, meanwhile, quite possibly being more than enough time to earn enough to replace the ships lost in the attack.
The PvE player is still showing a potential net profit here.

You may have a point, making that cloaked player go to this extreme degree of effort, seems to be excessive.
How shall we arrange for him to have a chance at that kill in a more reasonable time frame, like a few hours at most?

Seriously, you can't claim he won that contest, with the PvE target making a net profit on the experience, while the cloaked player loses the same amount of time locked out of profitable opportunities.