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Tengu - null-sec infiltration and combat fits
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Altair Taurus
#1 - 2015-01-20 19:52:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Hi!

After long training I can fly Tengu now. However this is completely different beast than T1 vessels so I do not know how to fit Tengu properly especially how to choose right subsystems for different scenarios. I could not fint many informations about it on the Internet, Ideally I'd like to fly Tengu as null-sec combat ship against Gurista's DEDs. Therefore I need your help about two fits:

1. Infiltration fit - to be able to travel trough null-sec safely
2. Combat fit - to be able to find and fight Gurista's DEDs

Fits with as many identical rigs/subs/lows/meds/highs as possible will be most appreciated! Of course mobile depot is also an option.
Sir Gorgonoff
House Gorgonoff
#2 - 2015-01-20 20:57:52 UTC
EFT Warrior checking in. Things might have changed since 2011 when I was using my Tengu to get past gatecamps, but here are two builds, as best as I can remember them. Cargo space might end up being tight with all the missiles due the Mobile Depot taking up 50 or 100 units depending on which one you use. I had a base to park my gear in at the time, so I didn't need to haul everything around when going into complexes.

[Tengu, Complex Runner]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Cloaking Device

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

I think the same logic still goes: Have safe spots set up so that if someone comes into the system, you can warp and cloak.

[Tengu, Null Gatecrasher]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Inertial Stabilizers II

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
10MN Microwarpdrive II
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

Nullsec instead of low sec makes it difficult to get a better warp time than 4 seconds. If you don't absolutely need to do nullsec (thus needing the Nullifier), then you can get away with Intercalcated Nanofibers. With the right fit, you'll be aligned in 2 seconds, and at warp in 3 seconds I think. I didn't have any problem back then, but if I had to guess, people became better at stopping you, and doing so more quickly.

Tengu is a pretty expensive ship to practice going into and out of nullsec with.

Now that I gave you the fits, I'd recommend that you do not use a Tengu for now. Hope it helps, and I'm sure others have better advice for fittings than I do.

Take care Altair Taurus
Orlacc
#3 - 2015-01-20 21:44:03 UTC
Those are your best bet for initial fits but I hope you really don't think you can fly through Null "safely."

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-01-20 21:45:45 UTC
take interdiction nullifier and covert subs while travelling and mobile depot to fit combat subsystems when actually doing sites.

Art of Explosions
Altair Taurus
#5 - 2015-01-21 21:09:40 UTC
Thanks!

As for now I built such fits:

1. Null-sec Infiltration:

[Tengu, Infiltration]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Inertia Stabilizers II
Inertia Stabilizers II

Medium Shield Booster II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
10MN Microwarpdrive II
10MN Afterburner II

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix



2. Combat:

[Tengu, Combat]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Booster II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Altair Taurus
#6 - 2015-01-25 14:12:50 UTC
I have another question regarding Tengu's combat capabilities. Of course it can do almost all combat sites in low-null sec but I'd like to know what DPS is needed to try each of them. Moreover there are two options to arm Tengu: heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles. Which one is better overall?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-01-25 14:28:52 UTC
I like HAMs cause you can make javelins fire out to about the same distance has heavies and it's about the same DPS but you can also change to close range ammo for more dps if required.

The downside to this is that you have to sacrifice the rig slots for missile range.

Art of Explosions
Altair Taurus
#8 - 2015-01-25 14:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
OK but what about DPS level needed to run DED 5-8 sites in Tengu (HML/HAML)?
atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#9 - 2015-01-26 00:40:08 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Hi!

After long training I can fly Tengu now. However this is completely different beast than T1 vessels so I do not know how to fit Tengu properly especially how to choose right subsystems for different scenarios. I could not fint many informations about it on the Internet, Ideally I'd like to fly Tengu as null-sec combat ship against Gurista's DEDs. Therefore I need your help about two fits:

1. Infiltration fit - to be able to travel trough null-sec safely
2. Combat fit - to be able to find and fight Gurista's DEDs

Fits with as many identical rigs/subs/lows/meds/highs as possible will be most appreciated! Of course mobile depot is also an option.


There aren't many entrances into gurista's 0.0 and they are usualy camped. Any decent 0.0 camp will decloack you easily. So my best advice, join 0.0 alliance in your desired region which has reasonable tax rate + logistics.
Altair Taurus
#10 - 2015-01-26 22:25:13 UTC
So maybe I should fly against Serpentis in AI sovereignty null-sec?
Talia Valta
ValtaTeleVisuals
#11 - 2015-01-27 12:14:34 UTC
Your best bet is to follow the advice of atomic killer.

I have an alt in Guristas space, out in null sec, and the alliance I'm in does regular gate camps and patrols.

Any more than that and it's a defended border.

Where ever your going to go, it sounds like your gonna try it solo, expect to be pursued by the locals.

With an alliance that holds null sov, you have several benefits, including support if you get tackled by a hostile.

If your planning on day tripping into null space, the above fits are best for you, but you can expect to be attacked as soon as you enter hostile space, anywhere in Sov held null.

Fly safe.
Altair Taurus
#12 - 2015-01-29 15:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
OK, I will try to fly Tengu in Syndicate and Outer Ring regions first. Right now I "gather intelligence" about this regions flying my alt there. I can say everything looks good so far in contrary to Guristas borderlands.

As for Tengu's offensive capabilities I would say 550 DPS @ 90 km with HML or 750 DPS @ 40 km with HAML should be enough taking into account Tengu's monstrous tank and speed.