Player Features and Ideas Discussion

One of the more vexing issues facing advocates for new t2 ships is what role t2 versions of the rokh, abaddon, hyperion and maelstrom would fit, and how they would be balanced. I have a specific idea in mind for them as passive fleet boosters in the same way that Titans give out passive bonuses, albeit with these being *significantly* less powerful. Due to this, they wouldn't require the same skills with links as current command ships, but they're probably need at least leadership 5 and some lvl 5 support skills to run.

These would be a natural step up from Command ships, and have their own unique flavor. Resist profiles would be on-par with interdictors, so they'd have a very nice tank, but not as overpowered as a HAC resist profile. I am definitely fine with reducing that down to Blops level minor resists if this it's a problem, but command ships are generally very tanky so I think it would work just fine.

I am also proposing that this would HAVE to be paired with a nerf to command links which only allows them to boost ships on-grid. I would not support these ships or ships like it being introduced until current command links are balanced, and ONLY apply on-grid with the ship boosting them. Keep that in mind with their role bonus.

DRAGON
t2 Rokh, ishukone manufacturer

8/7/4 slot layout, 8 turret slots

Caldari Battleship skill:
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range per level,
4% bonus to shield resists per level

Heavy Command Ship skill:
5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level,
5% increase in fleet members' turret optimal range and missile velocity per level



ZEUS
t2 Hyperion, Roden manufacturer

7/5/7 slot layout, 6 turret slots

Gallente Battleship skill:
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level,
7.5% bonus to Large Armor Repair amount per level

Heavy Command Ship skill:
7.5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level,
5% increase in fleet members' sensor resolution and targeting range per level


HELLFIRE
t2 Abaddon, Khanid manufacturer

8/4/7 slot layout, 8 launcher slots

Amarr Battleship skill:
10% bonus to Torpedo, Cruise, and Heavy missile velocity
4% bonus to armor resists per level

Heavy Command Ship skill:
10% bonus to armor amount per level,
5% bonus to fleet members' transfer array range per level


WARHAMMER
T2 Maelstrom, Core Complexion manufacturer

8/6/5 slot layout, 8 turret slots

Minmatar Battleship skill:
5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire per level,
7.5% bonus to Shield Booster repair amount per level

Heavy Command Ship skill:
7.5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret tracking speed per level,
5% reduction to fleet members' module heat damage taken per level


ROLE BONUS: 10% bonus to boosted ship command link effectiveness. (total, not per level)

EDIT: I am tweaking a few things to make these stronger, and enforce the line progression I have in mind for these as an intermediary between command BCs and titans. I am upping the boost bonus to 5% per level, and adding a role bonus of "booster booster" with increasing boosted command links underneath them being 10% more effective.

This will allow the option in skirmish fleets of diversifying with more command ships, or augmenting the boosts to squads and wings more effectively, and give them more reason to be plugged into wing or fleet command positions. I am fine with resetting this if it sounds absurdly overpowered, but the intention and placement I have in mind for these is as the middle ships between command BC and titan boosts, and that would require them to be quite strong from a fleet standpoint.

I am updating the Zeus to have better targeting speed and range instead of augmenting drone power. I feel with the state that sentries and fightercraft are in, this would feed too much fuel into the fire of drone unbalance, and will instead focus on augmenting fleet sensors.

Not a bad idea, but I'm not sure that we're ever going to see a t2 battleship that follows the hac line. The bonuses an ship types, though there's only 4 of them, do fall in line with hac bonuses, but the command bonuses are still kind of screwed up. Cap use isn't something that's really going to matter for ewar or turret users, especially not compared to ewar optimal. The overheat is a little less powerful imo but the cap use bonus is crap.

Until warfare links apply only on grid... I'm going to have to say "no" to this idea.

the caldari bonus would seem a bit off to me since a lot of there E-war ships can get over 100km optimal already

and a reduction in heat from the minmatar one would see that it would be one of the only ones used. heat reduction is extremely powerful

it is a bit redundant as to a new T2 BS but at least this one brings a new idea to the table and at least has some thought put into it


do i think it will work in EvE probably not but if some form of small titan style boosts made it in to sub cap fights it could be cool

Do you have an idea for what might be good bonuses for them? I'm hesitant about giving them tanking bonuses since it would feel a little too overpowered.

these bonuses would be like the ones on titans so no they wouldn't stack and you would still need to be in the booster slot





not any off hand a cycle time to E-war mods may be fun to play with (my personnel favorite) or if that is to strong then maybe a sensor strength bonus (would fit with caldari ships having the highers sensor strength)

or for tank go with a bonus to shield recharge rate (this one may also be to weak for most situations but would work in a few niche roles

I don't fly many minmatar ships so that ones is a little harder for me to find one that fits that isn't already covered by a warfare link

While I agree with your sentiment about links needing to be on grid, you gotta admit; snuff would love using these things.

the problem with the gal one is fighters are already able to apply damage to well to sub caps even as small as cruisers as well the last thing we need is Ishtars with better tracking than they had b4 the nerf


and the caldari one would get over ridden if some one was using the same warfare link on a T3 or BC thats why i had it as cycle time rather than strength or people would just oped to use the stronger smaller (and no doubt cheaper) one on a command ship

However the problem with cycle time is it would force all E-war to use more cap however can change scripts more offten

it could could be useful on nuets if you have the cap for it(blood ships would be scary and it may need to not affect nuet/nos for this reason)

with ECM you are now in a situation where you get more roles to see if you jam but your jams don't last as long

where have you been m8 BS have 3 missile types now Cruise Rapid heavy and torps go look at the raven, scorp, widow