Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I recently had a terrific Das Boot experience with someone trying to decloak me on gate. I got away through careful piloting and patience, it really demanded situational awareness and understanding the mechanics.

For these reasons I understand why cloaking needs a foil that isn't purely proximity. Let's just rip a page from Trek and say that "the thing's gotta have a tailpipe". If you travel at 100% velocity while cloaked, you're more detectable (makes sense for Blops too, bigger tailpipe). Over time, you're more detectable. When does that timer get reset? After something that puts you at risk by making you visible, like jumping or docking or storing your ship.

Detectable how? Well, I dunno. But if you wanted to look at the same Trek page we just ripped out, Auto-Targeting missiles could stand to be more useful.


Fixed that for you, and fixed Ishtars at the same time. You're welcome.

But then they can't be afk ratting.

Which is the crux of it all. It's the exact same argument as an afk miner gives, that they should have safety without actually having to do anything. They're arguing for the supposed right to reap the benefits of playing the game, without actually doing so, and being safe to boot.

Removed an off topic post.

can it be made that using a cloak triggers a log of timer similar to the PVE/PVP timers? that would give locals a chance to scan down the camper before he or she logs off?

Jenn I am sorry but I am still having a very hard time taking your arguments seriously. You have made it clear that you feel the 100% safety of the cloak is perfectly ok and you want nothing to change that. I disagree with this point of view. I personally disagree with anything that has 0 counter. I dont believe that local is the counter that you believe it is.

Also your attempts at passive aggressive attacks mixed into your posts probably should stop.

Sean. I am not arguing against cloak from a point of view of mining or ratting. If you go back to my first post on in this thread I even stated that if a PVE player was unable to accept the fact that a PVP player was going to be hunting them down and trying to kill them, then EVE is likely a game they shouldnt play.

Also Sean, in regards to your argument that people should defend better. I agree. However, as already discussed in the thread. That is not the issue at hand. We all know that if a proper defense is brought, the PVP player will not engage. All they have to do is wait. Eventually people will move to different systems, or log off due to time constraints or whatever, leaving a void in the defense. Of course this is the perfect time to strike for the PVP player and score a kill. I AM OK WITH EVERY PART OF THIS.

However where I see the flaw in cloak is that the player cloaked has absolutely nothing that can remove them from a system once he/she is in that system. Nothing. No matter how many ships are in system. The people living in that system are given a few choices. Leave to another system, stay docked and pursue other activities, or risk operating in the system. If they risk operating in the system, even the best combat tanked ship can fall prey to a hot drop. A person can do everything right and still lose in the end.

What I am looking for is a way to combat this. I hope you can see how frustrating it could be to a player. I see no reason why an pilot in space should have 100% safety, especially when their potential threat can be so high.

Oh and as for local, since it does have a bearing on the topic. Everyone that has made a suggestion on modifying cloak, has offered a suggestion on how to limit local as well.

Kaarous. My bias doesnt include 100% safety. Please take the time to look at the suggested changes. The effect it would have on cloak would only effect it in one very specific case. The prolonged camping of a system. I personally advocate no change to the function of cloak at all. I prefer the approach of scan probes to local a cloaked pilot. Just like combat scanners now.



This is just junk fluff. Please show me one thing that I could use to threaten a cloaked pilot once they are in system. I dont really care how they got there. That was never part of the discussion in the first place.

As for the victim mentality. Nice try as some passive aggressive snip. If you wish to go this route, then feel free but if you look at this thread you will see I never once have stated I was so victim or that CCP must make some change cause this is all totally unfair.

No. I see what I perceive as a flaw. If a change happens. YAY. If not, then I am still going to play. But when it comes to my stance, I am going to defend it.

So please. Continue your attempt at discrediting me with your little quips. All it does is make you look bad. Especially when I have people like Mag's, one of the most vocal people on this topic, agreeing that I put rational thought into my arguments. He doesnt agree, which is fine, but he doesnt resort to petty things.

Kaarous. You either have ignored what my argument is or dont understand it. On top of that you make assumptions that are just false and can be shown in my other posts.

Interesting line of thought, given that I have made no suggestions on how to change the function of the cloaking device.

I disagree with the statement. Sorry. If it was just a mental issue, then there wouldnt be hundreds of pages of posts about it.

There also hundreds of threads that have been created about; miner ganking, freighter ganking, bumping in general, and mission thieves.
And yet there is nonproblem there either, it is all in the eye of the Beholder.