These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page123Next page
 

Isn't the turret on ships too small (proportionally to the ship)?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
VaIefar Drekavac
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-01-22 12:05:40 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
look at the ship real life size chart thingy. u are asking for guns that would be like several football lengths long. your crcruisebattleships are giiiiiiiiaaaant. guns shoulsnt be miles long dude.

super space people in the future will have smaller better guns if anything, not bigger.

also DRONES lol@turdets


It's not like 11inch is THAT big (that's what she said).

Anyways @OP: is it ever big enough? I mean, really?
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#22 - 2015-01-22 13:44:54 UTC
Quanah Comanche wrote:
Guns are appropriate sizes. Asian MMOs may suit you as for some reason they always have huge weapons.
Relevant

I've always thought BS guns looked too small. The other classes are ok.

Witty Image - Stream

Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-01-22 18:57:01 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
lol who uses turrets anymore in Drones Online? Get a Gila/rattlesnake or isktar dude



Yep the game is now called EvE: Ishtar Online.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#24 - 2015-01-22 19:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
Qn'qura Zalas Zula wrote:
Makes me wonder how crazy my Incursus would have looked if the Capital blasters i mistakenly bought while drunk actually DID fit


They might. They will be offline, but would sit on the hardpoints.

I used to fit x2 1400s on my cheetah. Were offline, but looked hilarious/menacing at the same time. Can only mount them in space though (unless they fixed this). Need a POS, or maybe mobile depot (havent tried depot).

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Yehala
FISHERS INC
#25 - 2015-01-23 00:05:17 UTC
I kinda agree, I'd like bigger turrets, especially on BattleShips Big smile

★ SERVICE - Spreadsheets Packs ! ★

--- Trading, Manufacturing & Mining ---

yehala.wix.com/eve-spreadsheets
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#26 - 2015-01-23 00:18:09 UTC
Yeah! Turrets need to be bigger dammit!

Every other game I play, I can wield a sword that is taller than I am and swing it with the speed and precision of a kitana, or an axe that dwarfs my dwarf. To be appropriately sized in comparison, every ship needs to be able to fit one size larger turrets! Frigs with cruiser guns, cruisers with battleship guns and battleships with capital turrets! No clue what caps would use... I guess CCP better start designing XXL turrets or there will be hell to pay!

Maybe we need the spaceship equivalent of endgame mithril bikini armor for our ships too. You cant have a Stigmatic Epic Demon Sword of Polarized Blightness without the matching Demon Thong of the Destructive Fire Panda Mage Dragon. And capes. With fur. Who cares if its murder, this is serious business dammit.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
inta Vakaria
BoomTime
House of Boom
#27 - 2015-01-23 00:23:13 UTC
To quote a certain gunnery chief
"This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one, to one-point-three percent of lightspeed.
It impacts with the force a 38 kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means, Sir Isacc Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-***** in space!"
The same principle applies in eve, with the speed a projectile travels it doesn't need to be big to do huge damage, meaning the guns do not have to be huge either.
Kieyra Marie Julian
Legal Tax Evasion
#28 - 2015-01-23 00:38:23 UTC
inta Vakaria wrote:
To quote a certain gunnery chief
"This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one, to one-point-three percent of lightspeed.
It impacts with the force a 38 kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means, Sir Isacc Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-***** in space!"
The same principle applies in eve, with the speed a projectile travels it doesn't need to be big to do huge damage, meaning the guns do not have to be huge either.


That's an awesome phrase (i love mass effect)

So now tell me do you feel that awesomeness when your gun fires in eve?
Amarant'h
Council of Exiles
Brave Collective
#29 - 2015-01-23 06:56:31 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
lol who uses turrets anymore in Drones Online? Get a Gila/rattlesnake or isktar dude


..and before this, it was "lol who uses drones and guns in missile online? Get a drake"
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-01-23 07:20:31 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
I know a short little guy with a turret so BIG he can't be tipped over from behind,
but if knocked on his back, he looks like this magnificent flag pole!

She's referring to me. (It's hard to be humble.)

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#31 - 2015-01-23 10:52:36 UTC
No.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#32 - 2015-01-23 14:38:37 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Yeah! Turrets need to be bigger dammit!

Every other game I play, I can wield a sword that is taller than I am and swing it with the speed and precision of a kitana, or an axe that dwarfs my dwarf. To be appropriately sized in comparison, every ship needs to be able to fit one size larger turrets! Frigs with cruiser guns, cruisers with battleship guns and battleships with capital turrets! No clue what caps would use... I guess CCP better start designing XXL turrets or there will be hell to pay!

Maybe we need the spaceship equivalent of endgame mithril bikini armor for our ships too. You cant have a Stigmatic Epic Demon Sword of Polarized Blightness without the matching Demon Thong of the Destructive Fire Panda Mage Dragon. And capes. With fur. Who cares if its murder, this is serious business dammit.
Every now and then you come up with gold. I liked this tongue in cheek post. Lol

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2015-01-23 15:19:54 UTC
Kieyra Marie Julian
Legal Tax Evasion
#34 - 2015-01-23 22:03:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Obviously the gun should be bigger!


That's a destroyer....please read my post
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#35 - 2015-01-23 23:01:04 UTC
So the bigger gun whose size we know, it's the 1400 mm Artillery. With a hefty bore to length ratio of 1:45 ,this mans the gun barrel is some 63 meters long (that's 70 yards for you Imperial heathens).

BUT, that gun is mounted on a ship -say, a Machariel- 1,600 meters long, or 25 times longer than the gun. If it was a handgun and you had it in your hands, it would be roughly the size of a needle.

Remember, in EVE even a Rifter is almot as big as a 747.


Tl;DR: EVE guns are large enough, it's just that EVE ships are massive.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Ciel993
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-01-24 03:51:42 UTC
It's not the turret that's too small... More like, ships are too big and are fiitted with a lot of turret of same size. tbh I would rather wish ccp introduce different sizes of high slots, like, a battleship can fit two huge, badass capital class guns and a couple of smaller, large class guns, or something like that. but we all know this is impossible due to too many works
Ciel993
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-01-24 04:06:07 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So the bigger gun whose size we know, it's the 1400 mm Artillery. With a hefty bore to length ratio of 1:45 ,this mans the gun barrel is some 63 meters long (that's 70 yards for you Imperial heathens).

BUT, that gun is mounted on a ship -say, a Machariel- 1,600 meters long, or 25 times longer than the gun. If it was a handgun and you had it in your hands, it would be roughly the size of a needle.

Remember, in EVE even a Rifter is almot as big as a 747.


Tl;DR: EVE guns are large enough, it's just that EVE ships are massive.


IRL battleships are around 250-300m long with main guns' barrel around 18m long (take Iowa for example). So theoretically a ship of Mach's size, the gun barrels should be around 120m long, which is barely the case. For now, larger ships in eve are a bit like early WWI dreadnoughts, which contains numerous smaller calibre turrets instead of a couple of huge, badass main guns.
Although I doubt ccp would ever change this.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2015-01-24 04:37:56 UTC
Ciel993 wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So the bigger gun whose size we know, it's the 1400 mm Artillery. With a hefty bore to length ratio of 1:45 ,this mans the gun barrel is some 63 meters long (that's 70 yards for you Imperial heathens).

BUT, that gun is mounted on a ship -say, a Machariel- 1,600 meters long, or 25 times longer than the gun. If it was a handgun and you had it in your hands, it would be roughly the size of a needle.

Remember, in EVE even a Rifter is almot as big as a 747.


Tl;DR: EVE guns are large enough, it's just that EVE ships are massive.


IRL battleships are around 250-300m long with main guns' barrel around 18m long (take Iowa for example). So theoretically a ship of Mach's size, the gun barrels should be around 120m long, which is barely the case. For now, larger ships in eve are a bit like early WWI dreadnoughts, which contains numerous smaller calibre turrets instead of a couple of huge, badass main guns.
Although I doubt ccp would ever change this.

Well I guess, the couple huge guns thing is what our actual dreadnaughts do

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-01-24 08:09:58 UTC
Do the guns on a Rifter still look cartoony big, or did they size them down? Havent flown one in a while, but remember the guns looking stupid big on it.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#40 - 2015-01-24 10:08:39 UTC
Ciel993 wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So the bigger gun whose size we know, it's the 1400 mm Artillery. With a hefty bore to length ratio of 1:45 ,this mans the gun barrel is some 63 meters long (that's 70 yards for you Imperial heathens).

BUT, that gun is mounted on a ship -say, a Machariel- 1,600 meters long, or 25 times longer than the gun. If it was a handgun and you had it in your hands, it would be roughly the size of a needle.

Remember, in EVE even a Rifter is almot as big as a 747.


Tl;DR: EVE guns are large enough, it's just that EVE ships are massive.


IRL battleships are around 250-300m long with main guns' barrel around 18m long (take Iowa for example). So theoretically a ship of Mach's size, the gun barrels should be around 120m long, which is barely the case. For now, larger ships in eve are a bit like early WWI dreadnoughts, which contains numerous smaller calibre turrets instead of a couple of huge, badass main guns.
Although I doubt ccp would ever change this.


Gun size is determined by the bore, not the size of the ship. The size of the ship is determined by storage (of ammo, fuel, crew and supplies) and protection. This is why the battlecruiser class was born, to bear the bigger possible guns on the smaller possible hull.

I think that guns in EVE are the right size, provided how they work (effectively without firing arches) and the insane bulk of the ships.

But then, shall we remember, EVE ships are empty shells. They are not supposed to "function" or "make sense" from a engineering/matherial POV.

Else the 1400 mm rounds would take a wee bit more space than 0.025 m3 per unit and messing with the hold of freighters would require a little more work than writing a number on a table...
Previous page123Next page