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Tengu Lvl 4
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Kuzene
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-19 11:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuzene
Curious about the bare min requirements for a tengu to do level 4s and cost under say 700 mil, though even cheaper be better ;p

Currently fly Raven in lvl 4s, but want to go down exploration route in future so think i may head towards Tengu, plus its so much better looking than Raven lol.

Not interested in any Cap Booster builds, I refuse to mess with them regardless of how it can help.

What level of sub systems would be required to start ? and would meta 4 heavys be enough to start with?

I have most shield skills level 4 and most missile support skills level 4.

Thanks.

Edit : Found out you loose skills if you die in this, is that a deal breaker?
Tiger Armani
End-Game
#2 - 2011-12-19 13:38:54 UTC
Here's a good fit for PVE Tengu.

Most missions can be done with only one booster. With minor changes (omni tank), it works well in WH C2.

basic LVL4 tengu
Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#3 - 2011-12-19 15:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike712
Kuzene wrote:
Curious about the bare min requirements for a tengu to do level 4s and cost under say 700 mil, though even cheaper be better ;p

Currently fly Raven in lvl 4s, but want to go down exploration route in future so think i may head towards Tengu, plus its so much better looking than Raven lol.

Not interested in any Cap Booster builds, I refuse to mess with them regardless of how it can help.

What level of sub systems would be required to start ? and would meta 4 heavys be enough to start with?

I have most shield skills level 4 and most missile support skills level 4.

Thanks.

Edit : Found out you loose skills if you die in this, is that a deal breaker?


That fit of mine Tiger Armani posted is indeed very good for the cost.

I wouldn't bother with the tengu until you can use tech 2 launchers, without T2 ammo and good support skills the tengu does about the same DPS as a cheaply fitted raven minus drones, so not worth the isk.

Major sub system skills, defensive, engineering, and offensive you'll want on Lv5, electronics and propulsion can be left on 4 for a mission setup.

If you lose a T3 you will lose skill points in sub system skills and those only, which can easily be trained back up quite quickly.

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
Kuzene
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-12-19 15:56:45 UTC
cheers for info, gonna give Tengu a miss, I dont fancy training for 3 days+ every time I die, not that i die often, but wh adventures i imagine i would lol.


Thanks again for help.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2011-12-20 00:06:46 UTC
Tiger Armani wrote:
Here's a good fit for PVE Tengu.

Most missions can be done with only one booster. With minor changes (omni tank), it works well in WH C2.

basic LVL4 tengu



I use pretty much that setup, slight changes to the mids pithi b-type, 3 hards, ab, cap recharger (lazy permatank!) instead. also a t2 rof rig and 2x flare rigs. tengu gets lots and lots of mitigation through sig and speed tanking. Big smile

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-20 00:14:49 UTC
Kuzene wrote:
cheers for info, gonna give Tengu a miss, I dont fancy training for 3 days+ every time I die, not that i die often, but wh adventures i imagine i would lol.


Thanks again for help.


If you die ever in a level 4 tengu while doing a level 4, you're doing it very very wrong.

That posted spec is overtanked beyond my tengu and mine rarely has to run one pithi c-type small booster in the vast majority of missions.

If you don't want to lose it in wormholes then don't use it in wormholes. It makes blitzing missions so very easy.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#7 - 2011-12-20 02:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Forget using 2 small shield boosters. I use one Med Pith C., and a T2 Shield boost amp. I get 425/3s. (I have implants) One booster frees ups a slot.
Forget using an AB, it’s just not needed. Also freeing up a slot.
I use one mission specific hardener and one resist amp. Depends on mission, and may use 2 invul.

I’ve run hundreds of missions with the following setup and have done them all with ease. (Even works well in running spawns with 2-3 man in 0.0)

amp-diss-aug-acc-grav

rigs: 2 rigors, 1 CCC

highs: 6 HML II, CN ammo

mids: med. pith c shield bstr; T2 sba; lse II; hardener; resist amp; cap rech. II

lows: 4 cn bcu

Sometimes I will put on an AB, but then use a mse II. This is just to get to a gate a little faster. The AB isn’t used to reduce any incoming.

I could eliminate the T2 shld bst amp, and put in another hardener or resist amp in but it’s not needed. I could put in a TP, but it’s not needed. I could drop the cap rech, and pulse the booster. But it was just too easy to turn it on and not even think about the cap. Even with 8-10 BS pounding away, just take care of them one at a time. (Could look up the name but I don’t want to.)

But I think what the OP wanted was a cheap set-up. Don’t go cheap! Might as well use a Drake.

Also, I’ve got back to my CNR, the last few months, and hardly use the Tengu anymore. It just seems better overall.

I tried may different variants on the Tengu, and settled on the above fit. All the fits mentioned here and other places will work, it mainly comes down to what works for you, what level of comfort you want and can afford.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Capital T
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-12-20 09:29:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Capital T
Use a 3% pwrgrid implant and load this fit up.... I use it for lv 4's...


[Tengu, HM]
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Heavy Missile)

2x Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
2x Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II

3x Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
2x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

I get 633 dps/2500 volley
630 m/s velocity
145k ehp omni tank, more with specific hardeners... some into 250k ehp... :)
cap stable
75% min resists with omni tank....

fly reckless.
Kulmid
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-12-20 13:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kulmid
The amount of horrible fits in this thread is staggering...

[Tengu, Cheap LvL 4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Caldari Navy Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Cheap as hell, tanks 780 DPS VS Serp/Gurista (complete overkill), 670 DPS , capstable as you like.

Upgrade to your liking, start with faction BCUs and work your way up. Use rigors/flares when you realize capstable is stupid.

Whatever you do don't listen to the person saying you don't want an AB, that is about as stupid as the guy asking how to jump his thanatos through a gate. Also don't buffer tank a PvE ship, that is all.
Provy Dence
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-20 13:53:18 UTC
Honestly! I don't get the point, why people invest so much money in a Tengu, even though this is a "relatively" cheap version, but don't afford to use T2 Rigs?

MCCC II cost what, 40M ISK each? But you easily can compensate nearly one T1 Rig by exchanging 2 of the T1 Rigs with a T2 and with a Medium Shield Booster 2x MCCC II should be more than enough!
Kulmid
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-12-20 14:28:51 UTC
Kulmid wrote:
Upgrade to your liking, start with faction BCUs and work your way up. Use rigors/flares when you realize capstable is stupid.


Yeah obviously T2 rigs are worth it on a Tengu, but OP said he didn't want to spend much.

Also the only reason I threw a faction booster on there was because of CPU issues and they are cheap, T2 would be fine when you upgrade the BCUs.
Kulmid
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-12-20 14:45:32 UTC
If you want to do it right.

[Tengu, Not cheap]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Passive resists, tank 1200 DPS vs Serp/Guris, 790 DPS w/ 2 implants, capstable with TP & rigors/flares for maxiumum damage applied.
Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#13 - 2011-12-20 15:55:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike712
Guys the point of my fit on battteclinic is that it's cheap, that's why it has such a wide appeal.

As for expensive fits you're all doing it wrong.

[Tengu, lv4 Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Domination 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster (b-type works too)
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

^this tengu, best tengu.

Kulmid are you aware that the booster on your fit is about the rarest booster in the game and usually goes for about 2 billion isk....

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#14 - 2011-12-20 16:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Mike712 wrote:
Guys the point of my fit on battteclinic is that it's cheap, that's why it has such a wide appeal.

As for expensive fits you're all doing it wrong.

[Tengu, lv4 Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Domination 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster (b-type works too)
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

^this tengu, best tengu.

Kulmid are you aware that the booster on your fit is about the rarest booster in the game and usually goes for about 2 billion isk....


How is this possible? Each Rigor needs 150 points and you have a total of 400 on the boat.

[edit]
Got this as a first try, what do you think?

[Tengu, Expensive]

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile

10MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

@all 5s it gets,
633 m/s
447 DPS with Standard Heavies
EHP of 30.1K (unlikely to Omni tank though)
Cap Stable @ 65.85
[/edit]
Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#15 - 2011-12-20 17:24:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike712
T2 Flare only costs 75 calibration, I'll let you do the math.

You're setup is missing a shield booster, to be used with logi support I guess? Then why the cap control rig, there's no reason to be 65% cap stable.

So yeh it's a great setup if you have logistics, but fix that rig.

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#16 - 2011-12-20 18:44:43 UTC
Mike712 wrote:
T2 Flare only costs 75 calibration, I'll let you do the math.

You're setup is missing a shield booster, to be used with logi support I guess? Then why the cap control rig, there's no reason to be 65% cap stable.

So yeh it's a great setup if you have logistics, but fix that rig.

My mistake thought all 3 were the same.
Capital T
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-12-20 19:47:07 UTC
Ahh, my rigs are supposed to be t1 rigs...

And buffer works well for me, cause I use range and hardly take any dmg when Im actually PILOTING my ship. not just warp in, sit there, and spam missiles.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#18 - 2011-12-21 17:19:36 UTC
Kulmid-could you please tell me in you infinite wisdom, do you say someone is stupid for not running an AB on a mission Tengu? (You deserve the sarcasm). If you’ve been around you obviously know that in many L4 missions you don’t need to “fly-around”. You must think that flying 500+mps in a Tengu is necessary. Sorry, it is not. In every mission, except where you have to fly to a gate 40km away, you can just sit still. I know, I know, L4 can be extremely boring, so maybe flying around just keeps you busy instead of spewing missiles. Even in Worlds Collide a AB is not needed, doesn’t take long to get to the gate anyway. I know you know that heavies reach out to about 110km, so no AB is needed. And no transversal is needed to minimize damage, and I hope you’re not even thinking of speed-tanking. Now if you had used HAM’s, yes, an AB would be very helpful in chasing down targets to get in range. Wouldn’t freeing up a slot be great.

I haven’t seen any horrible fits in this post. All of the fits will work just fine. It just comes down to what works in your game play. But why have two Pith A small boosters, when just one Pith C medium costs about the same. They use the same cap, and you free up a slot. But to want to have a minimal Tengu fit doesn’t work for me. The Tengu should have all the bells and whistles to really make it come alive. As I said, if you don’t, then Kuzene stay in your Raven, or use a Drake.

Why spend 500M to 700M for the Tengu and it’s subsystems, and then put “cheap” mods on it. I feel you would want to protect your investment. Even in those “oops” moments in a mission, you won’t have to worry, your Tengu can easily tank all the incoming without even breaking a sweat.

Adios

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Kuzene
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-12-21 19:55:07 UTC
Cheers for continued replies, I have recently moved to a Scorpion Navy Issue.

Disappointed with the poor income from lvl 4 missions, hope to move to CNR when funds allow.

I don't really want to loose days of training time on deaths, so avoiding tengu for now, got plenty of support skills to catch up on anyway.

Tengu still an option for the future though, so thanks again.
Tenga Halaris
Galactic Traders Union
#20 - 2011-12-29 14:50:18 UTC
[Tengu, L4 Basic]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field
Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field
Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

1000 dps tank against guri (switch hardeners for other NPC)
850 DPS (kinetic DMG, with imps)
capstable (not really necesarry but meh)

costs around 800mil

This thing is indestructible, IF you fit your hardeners right, turn them on ^^ and orbit a can at 5000m with AB on. Kill webbing frigs first.

profit
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