Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As in only the speed at which the target can move away from the webber, but not transversally.

Currently
1) if you are webbed, tracking and sig tanking become irrelevant - it is difficult to achieve the necessary angular velocity to avoid being hit even when orbiting at 500 unless several gun sizes above or long range guns.
2) Dual web means game over. Unless you can out tank your opponent and out DPS them.
3) Game is really just who can fly faster in a straight line and who can deal more damage out to web range.

If this was added
1) The rate at which you can disengage (burn away and get out of web range) is still limited as now
2) your maneuvering around the target is not limited, which makes it less about who flies faster in a straight line and more about who is better at keeping note of the relative ship directions in order to place themselves at a favourable angular velocity
3) Dual web only makes it harder to escape than when with a single web, not a win button.
4) Targets can still be constrained entirely in all directions, but need 3 webbers in orthogonal directions.
5) Web drones could add an interesting dynamic because they orbit the target hence the radial direction changes.

Challenges
1) Currently dual web is a BS strategy against frigs; without it BSs would never hit frigs. It could be argued that BSs could engage at longer distance to reduce the tracking penalties, as well as other practical considerations - if frigates burn towards the BS they will get blapped; taking a different route around the BS will take longer to tackle or even low relative velocitys which will cause the frig to never catch up. Plenty BSs can reach 1.5km/s.

2) Radial velocity is relative, so if this was applied it would affect the webber as well. Instead of making an absolute restriction to radial velocity only apply it to the positive, i.e. when moving away, and leave the negative part uncapped, so if both targets are moving closer (intentionally or not) there are no speed penalties.

3) computation and vectors - shouldn't be a challenge because we already get a reading on radial velocity and whilst the vector changes in global space, it is always the same in relation to the 2 bodies. The advantage this brings is that instead of explicitly looking for which direction the ship has or doesnt have the speed penalties in relation to global space, you just look for the direction the webber is in - a lot easier.

4) need to track which web relates to which radial velocity - the advantage of absolute penalty is that it depends only on one body. Radial velocity exists between 2 bodies. For multiple aggressors you'd need to keep track of every radial velocity and a relevant web.


Food for thought.

You want to remove the freighter webbing?

This goes hand in hand with my target painter idea. They should have a tracking feature such that painters on larger ships don't track as well as on small ships. That way a frigate would be on an even playing field when locked in combat with a BS.

Have you all hit your **** heads? This game has already turned into frigate online. You wanna give them more advantages?

The training time, ISK invested (and risked once you engage) should be at an advantage against something a 1 hour old toon can get for free in a rookie system!

Sheeze guys I love frigs, cheap, fast and the lot. But asking it to stand a chance solo against a well fitted and piloted BS is beyond silly.

No.

The goal is to allow some maneuvering when webbed and stop the combat from being a linear push pull.

I have not proposed anything as compensation to BSs and cruisers because should this ever happen, compensating is trivial - reduce the signature resolution of larger guns. It is part of tracking formula, not the actual tracking number (which you wouldn't have to change and hence remove physical meaning), and can tailor effortlessly.

Without changing the way math works, physics says your idea is not possible.

The item that you're looking for is a tractor beam not a webifier...

The whole point of the webifier item is to assist large ships in tracking and hitting smaller ships; now you could make the claim that they're too good at their job, but that idea seems crazy silly to me...

What I would like to see is their range reduced to 7,500 m and their strength buffed to 65%, Then I would like to see tractor beams be able to pull people in/pull you you toward your target depending on mass.

This would finally give blasters a fighting chance instead of asking every ship that comes by if they would like to please come into web range.

No one in a fleet would be able to hit a frigate?

Yes they would.

I've explained the positives.

Doctrines fly a specific type of ship typically. That's why they are doctrines.

You wouldn't need specialised fits.

Closest webs are is 10km. The BSs have to spread out within this range and catch the frigate at 0 angular or 0 transversal. Having high angular against every enemy entity in a fleet is difficult.

You are not wrong.

BSs would be hit the hardest.

It is possible to rectify by reducing their ship size turret signature to adequate levels. Because this number is consistent for all turrets of the same size its quicker than changing tracking.

The change is not aimed to hurt BSs. It is meant to offer more flying patterns for ships of same size at close to mid range.