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Eris needs help

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Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2015-01-20 16:19:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiyshimin
Currently Eris is by far the worst interdictor for interdicting purposes for several reasons:

- it has the biggest sig
- it has significantly less CPU than the others
- it has only one mid

Shield tanking it is not viable due to slots (no scram, even bigger sig and still no tank), it doesn't have the CPU to hull tank, which would make it too cumbersome and hull tanking in hostile space is just stupid and it would still have a weak tank, armor buffer tank would make it slow and it lacks the cap for active tank.

In theory, it has the potential to do large amounts of dps, however it all falls apart when you fit the Interdiction Sphere Launcher and you realize that you ran out of CPU. Mid-tier guns, meta 3 scram, meta MWD, launcher and DCII push it over CPU. Forget about cloaks.

I suggest it gets more CPU so you can at least try to play to it's dps strength. Even +10 CPU would help.
And if the slot layout has to be so horrible compared to the others and it's somehow considered ok for the Eris to not have any tank, give it a drone bay.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#2 - 2015-01-20 16:32:09 UTC
eris has 2 mids, but i agree, worst dictor before rebalance, worst dictor after
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2015-01-20 16:33:14 UTC
Only one mid, the other one is for the mandatory MWD.



afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-01-20 18:24:15 UTC
I suppose it can fit a respectable armor tank for armor fleets but it's so slow if you do that.

I don't see why it shouldn't get some help to round it out some.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2015-01-20 18:39:00 UTC
afkalt wrote:
I suppose it can fit a respectable armor tank for armor fleets but it's so slow if you do that.

I don't see why it shouldn't get some help to round it out some.


If you were stupid enough to armor tank it, it's possible to match the EHP of Sabre, but then you can't fit any guns on it, you'd be 1Km/s and two seconds slower, and still have as big sig as the dual MSE Sabre.

It's broken.

afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-01-20 19:03:25 UTC
Yup. Was the only redeeming thing I could find!!
Katia Echerie
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#7 - 2015-01-20 19:14:15 UTC
It sure could use a third mid and some more CPU. That said, used as a combat Interdictor its pretty darn good. Can't think of any other sub cruiser ship with 900 dps.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2015-01-20 19:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiyshimin
It can be made agile, since it's Gallente, and quite fast as well. If we forget tanking, and give zero fucks about sig and imagine that agility, speed and damage projection make up for those, then this:

[Eris, **** this ****]

Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Inertia Stabilizers II
Internal Force Field Array I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II

125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I

It is more agile and speedy than even a dual nano Sabre, and has credible chances of hurting incoming tacklers on approach. However, this style would really benefit from having the cloak.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2015-01-20 19:25:52 UTC
Katia Echerie wrote:
It sure could use a third mid and some more CPU. That said, used as a combat Interdictor its pretty darn good. Can't think of any other sub cruiser ship with 900 dps.


I live in C4 Wolf-Rayet, and my gank-fit Eris does +1400dps with Void there. However, that fit has no room for the bubble. So I acknowledge it can be a rather serious glass cannon, but this thread is about it's non-existent viability as a fleet interdictor.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2015-01-21 13:43:08 UTC
Apparently the Eris was not fixed at downtime, therefore bump.

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#11 - 2015-01-21 13:50:26 UTC
The only use the Eris currently has is for ganking relic site runners when you already have a warp-in on them. Since the ship has no EHP to sneeze at, it is really only viable to use for ganks. It really, really needs more CPU.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2015-01-22 12:13:58 UTC
No Eris patch today? Shame, maybe tomorrow then.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-01-22 12:16:26 UTC
Eris is an excellent bubbler with damn high speed. Want more tank and guns? Use a Sabre.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2015-01-22 12:19:33 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Eris is an excellent bubbler with damn high speed. Want more tank and guns? Use a Sabre.


With Sabre you get all that but more damn high speed and the same bubble. Why would you choose Eris?

Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2015-01-24 10:02:51 UTC
Poor Eris, it's still gimped by it's non-existing fitting resources.
Market Wizard
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-01-24 10:25:45 UTC
I'm going to assume you think you are the center of the universe and you can't see past your nose. The Interdictors are NOT exclusive Null/WH ships, they can be used in high/low.

In low sec the Eris has been a monster with rails and Thorium with a long point and mwd going around 2.2 km/s. If you gave the Eris another mid slot it would apply blaster dps great with a web and an extra low would make it really tanky compared to other dictors with hull being the preferred method of tanking Gallente ships in low sec. All of this CCP has to consider when balancing ships.

The Cpu part I will agree might be a little low, but I would have to play with it a bit more to see if it would change the fit in the wrong direction in other areas of space outside of Null/Wh.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2015-01-24 10:53:17 UTC
Market Wizard wrote:
I'm going to assume you think you are the center of the universe and you can't see past your nose. The Interdictors are NOT exclusive Null/WH ships, they can be used in high/low.

In low sec the Eris has been a monster with rails and Thorium with a long point and mwd going around 2.2 km/s. If you gave the Eris another mid slot it would apply blaster dps great with a web and an extra low would make it really tanky compared to other dictors with hull being the preferred method of tanking Gallente ships in low sec. All of this CCP has to consider when balancing ships.

The Cpu part I will agree might be a little low, but I would have to play with it a bit more to see if it would change the fit in the wrong direction in other areas of space outside of Null/Wh.


I'm going to assume you can't read, I acknowledge this use and capability of the current Eris, but seriously, it's incapable of performing in it's primary role, which is bubbling. Whether you can't see past your nose or not, if a mining ship can't mine, it's broken, if a hauler can't carry cargo it's broken- no matter what other uses players creatively come up for them.

To put this simply: Yes, Eris can do a lot dps when fit for it. When fit for bubbling, it doesn't do more dps than the others, but has a lot less tank = no reason to use it, it's just plain worse.

The bubble launcher takes 100 CPU. All V Eris has 262.5 total available, with weapon type that uses a lot of CPU.
Sabre has 287.5 CPU, with guns that use almost no CPU.

You can't increase the slot count, and while it won't be as tanky as the others with the current slot layout, I'd be fine with it if it could be fitted reasonably to be a ganky, agile dictor. But currently it's impossible. No matter how you tank it. it's significantly less tanky than the alternatives. If you try to fit it to be as agile and fast as the others, you'll come short on tank and have no dps advantage.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#18 - 2015-01-24 16:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
If you take it as an oversized enyo, it's quite awesome. 490dps and 10k ehp is nothing to dislike.
On the other end, it's great aswell as a railkiter.

It's just that once you want to stick a bubble to it, you suddenly want a sabre or heretic instead.

Found it:

[Eris, bubble enyo sup]

400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Centii A-Type Explosive Plating
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Interdiction Sphere Launcher I
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2015-03-10 07:29:42 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
It's just that once you want to stick a bubble to it, you suddenly want a sabre or heretic instead.


This still needs fixing.

CCP, you now have the opportunity to make Gallente D3 an expensive glass cannon in the dessie class, please make the Eris a viable interdictor like the other three.


Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2015-03-10 08:29:49 UTC
Don't fit a bubble launcher? If you want it to use for DPS, you do not need a bubble. Have other Eris specialized in bubbling do that. That's how DPS-Dictor fleets work.

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