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Unique ships going out of fashion?

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Cista2
EVE Museum
#1 - 2015-01-21 09:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
CCP FoxFour wrote:
We are still compiling a list of what ships will be converted over to the new system and what will be left as unique ships. We will let you know more once we have had time to finish thinking about it.


This was aired in the discussion of the new ship painting method. She had been asked about what will happen to ships like Gnosis and Apotheosis.
I guess some limited edition ships are in for a price collapse soon (TM)!

But tbh, I guess her answer was meant only for ships that are currently in the NES shop. The other thing does not make sense - she must have misunderstood the question.

My worry is of course not for the Gnosis and Apotheosis, but for those ships that used to be available in the NES shop and are not available in the shop anymore, thus being in fact collectables now. They might consider making them *all* available again.

How do clever MD'ers interpret all this?

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Cheese Crackers
Malfurion Mining
#2 - 2015-01-21 10:39:14 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
But tbh, I guess her answer was meant only for ships that are currently in the NES shop. The other thing does not make sense - she must have misunderstood the question.


your post i cannot really make sense of either.

they simply mean that certain ships will have the ability to be painted whilst the others will not and if you watched the o7 video they showed an example of the megathron which if i can remember correctly had the choice of all current skins for it plus others.
as for the gnosis and co. I would put my isk on nothing happening to them as what they intend on doing will have little to no effect on them. It's in my opinion that the only ships that will be available to be painted will be the t1 racial hulls and their adaptations as we see now.
for your third part, I myself have never been a fan of micro transactions so I never touched it so im not sure if your talking actual ships or skins, if its skins then refer to above.

just my 2 iskies.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#3 - 2015-01-21 11:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
Sorry that my post is confusing, I will try and rephrase.

I agree about the Gnosis etc. because those do not exist in color variations. The odd thing was that her response was a dircet answer to mention of those ships.

What I am talking about are ships like Bestower TM edition and Tayra Wyyrkomi edition and tons of others, those are color variations that I believe were once available in the Aurum/NES shop but long since removed (or they were given out in other ways).

When she says they are considering which ships should be "left as uniques", her statement is up to wide interpretation. What are "unique" ships meant to signify?

She chose not to respond to my question, so I would like to hear what others can theorise.

Here is her original post.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#4 - 2015-01-21 14:12:55 UTC
Unique ships and SKINs are two diffrent tings the first ones have diffrent stats(or should) and ships with SKINs have standard stats.

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Cista2
EVE Museum
#5 - 2015-01-21 14:26:05 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Unique ships and SKINs are two diffrent tings the first ones have diffrent stats(or should) and ships with SKINs have standard stats.
But that's not what CCP FoxFour says. She says they are deliberating which ships that will remain unique and which won't... I don't understand her statement and was hoping she would clarify, but she did not.

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Catalytic morphisis
Ruthless Regiment
Brotherhood of Spacers
#6 - 2015-01-21 14:53:39 UTC
I doubt they're looking at taking for issue a Raven state issue and making it openly available to all, I imagine that you misinterpreted what was said, Sounds like they mean some ships will remain unique (such as AT Prizes or Ultra rare 1 of a kind ships) where others, Such as ships that everyone was issued when certain expansions came out. this seems to be what they're hinting at

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Cista2
EVE Museum
#7 - 2015-01-21 15:10:53 UTC
Catalytic morphisis wrote:
I doubt they're looking at taking for issue a Raven state issue and making it openly available to all, I imagine that you misinterpreted what was said, Sounds like they mean some ships will remain unique (such as AT Prizes or Ultra rare 1 of a kind ships) where others, Such as ships that everyone was issued when certain expansions came out. this seems to be what they're hinting at

I agree for sure..

But this is the market discussion (and speculation) forum. All ships have value, and value can change.

In fact I don't think they will reissue ships like Primae or Gnosis, this is not what this is about, it is about colour variations. My speculation goes towards those types of ships I mentioned, which were peviously available in the Aurum shop, but not anymore.

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Catalytic morphisis
Ruthless Regiment
Brotherhood of Spacers
#8 - 2015-01-21 15:34:04 UTC
Well, they'll still be "Unique" as the name will be For instance Perkone issue, However the new skins would be applicable to any ship, so a regular megathron could have a different skin, However its not the actual issue version, I doubt it'd drastically effect the prices to be honest

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#9 - 2015-01-21 16:05:24 UTC
Foxfour's a guy, btw.

And that rumor? that's all it is. Baseless rumor. You'd better believe the CSM would be screaming its head off.


The 'unique' ships which are relevant for the Skinning, are the ships which have had a skin applied, or one of the ones which is just the regular ship, but with a different colour scheme.

The moment the stats are different, it'll remain a separate ship.

clear enough?

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Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#10 - 2015-01-21 17:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Trin Javidan
*snip* Rumor mongering quote. ~ ISD Decoy

The Eula sais otherwise. No doubt there is a question in the popularity of the ships. Their prizes show's that there is a larger demand than supply.

Why CCP simply doesnt create another source of income to allow these ships to be more common and turn to spacedust? I would plex in $1000 for sure to get my hands on a particulary tourney edition ship!

Besides that, it is a nice price. A very populair one. But EVE has changed. The honour is greatly, a reward is on its place, but to hand out 5 Trillion for first place to 10 people is beyond my believe (50 ships 100b a piece!!)
DmitryEKT
AMMO INC
#11 - 2015-01-21 17:15:13 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Foxfour's a guy, btw.

And that rumor? that's all it is. Baseless rumor. You'd better believe the CSM would be screaming its head off.


The 'unique' ships which are relevant for the Skinning, are the ships which have had a skin applied, or one of the ones which is just the regular ship, but with a different colour scheme.

The moment the stats are different, it'll remain a separate ship.

clear enough?


What about stuff like the Rattlesnake Victory Edition? these were AT12 prizes and not available anywhere else. They even have AT12 markings on the hull. but, they are only a skin, identical stats to normal rattlesnake.

Are these going to remain as unique ships? They are one-off tournament prizes after all.
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#12 - 2015-01-21 17:17:44 UTC
Quote:
32. Rumor mongering is prohibited.

Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the wellbeing and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators.

I have removed and edited a couple posts.

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Cista2
EVE Museum
#13 - 2015-01-21 21:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
ISD Decoy wrote:
Rumor mongering is prohibited.

A really great way to prevent rumours arising would be not to have a CCP person first state "some unique ships will no longer be unique", and then refuse to clarify which types of ships are under the "unique ships" definition in this regard.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#14 - 2015-01-21 21:44:27 UTC
DmitryEKT wrote:
What about stuff like the Rattlesnake Victory Edition? these were AT12 prizes and not available anywhere else. They even have AT12 markings on the hull. but, they are only a skin, identical stats to normal rattlesnake.

Are these going to remain as unique ships? They are one-off tournament prizes after all.



That's an interesting case. I'm not sure. It's something which will, almost certainly, be discussed in further depth. (So you have an idea of what the summits are like, all the meetings run for the full time allocated. It's never enough time, even with 4 days)

However, even if they're converted into skins, they wouldn't be skins which people can then buy from the NES.

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Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-01-21 22:03:31 UTC
Do people really get off on new skins? Ok it's a new look but I could really careless. This brings me back to the LOTRO days where people would love to talk about dying their cloak to green from yellow or a new feather hat. Whoop de do. Now if they were going to add something like the cambions then I'd get interested.... Unless I just dropped 80 billion on one /spacerage
herb aderp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-01-22 10:39:00 UTC
Im 90% sure this is going to happen

People with current unique skin ships such as the 'quafe edition' megathron ..... will log in one day after the patch ... and see a normal megathron where their quafe edition megathron was once docked. What they will find instead is that they wont have to purchase the Quafe edition skin as it will already be active on their account.

Tbh this change is a no brainer, CCP would be stupid to keep the current ships as separate just so that the whiny Speculators dont lose any isk. Speculators need to realize that this is the price you pay when you play the speculation game ... if you cant deal with change then GTFO already.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#17 - 2015-01-22 15:25:32 UTC
herb aderp wrote:
... if you cant deal with change then GTFO already.
What you see here is us dealing with it.

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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#18 - 2015-01-23 09:41:09 UTC
I consider myself a clever MD'r

how do i interpret this?

herbal burp aderp nailed it, and you are mad.

Great change if it has already created this butthurt thread on rumor.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66830/1/SKINS.png

but hey, its not as if you were ever going to undock ine was it?

so nothings changed.

deal with it.

@JerryTPepridge

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#19 - 2015-01-23 10:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
DmitryEKT wrote:

What about stuff like the Rattlesnake Victory Edition? these were AT12 prizes and not available anywhere else. They even have AT12 markings on the hull. but, they are only a skin, identical stats to normal rattlesnake.

Are these going to remain as unique ships? They are one-off tournament prizes after all.


why would they remain its the same ship as a rattler. you would get the skin licence. so its still unique, just worthless

nerds who stocked skin related items from NES store / the like, being butthurt they have 30 of each skinned ship (which they can't even fly) & are mad they will be getting shafted by having all those ships turn into a "single skin license"

hence why OP made this thread, he obvs has alot of these & is mad that prices will either tumble as ppl who are as dumb as him and speculated on these dump dump dump.

TL:DR is if you have a ship skin/s sell now while suckers are still buying.

Ship skin - Vexor Quafe edition.
unique ship - Guardian vexor.

ronuken for CSM. make this happen.ill pledge 20b votes to your next campaign.

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Cista2
EVE Museum
#20 - 2015-01-23 11:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
butthurt
You do seem butthurt that there are players who have money to invest, be it in PLEX, ships, or bonds :) This is the market discussion forum and we can discuss future price development of all things that are worth investing in.

We are trying to figure out which types of ships will be affected by this, that is all. It is not as if the ships will suddenly become worthless if transformed to licenses. Can you explain to me how a Guardian Vexor license would be worthless? If there are 20 GV licenses in the game and you don't have one, how would you get one of those worthless licences? Duh.

The only expected effect would be on cheaper ships that one person might use more than one of because they blow up. Now he would not need to buy a new one.

However, if some ship types are to be *re-released* as skins in higher numbers than the number of ships currently existing, that is something else indeed, and worth trying to anticipate. If individual ships are simply turned into licences, the effect should be minimal.

But.... I am just speculating :)

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