EVE General Discussion

I simply do not agree with the sentiment of the "bitter vets". For them it has to be all about PvP, PvP, PvP. If anything is worked on in the slightest that doesn't contribute to PvP they freak and throw a fit about it. I've been playing since launch. I am perfectly happy with the direction of EvE. I want to see WiS completed, more ships in game, better graphics on top of improving PvP as well as PvE experiences.

I podded out of my WH this weekend to go do some low level missions with a buddy who I gave a 60 day trial to. Was it boring? Yeah...compared to what I am used to doing but I still saw some interesting things I have never seen before. Such as a "ship graveyard" which consisted of one gigantic ship that is completely out of place in the EvE universe wrapped around an asteroid. Supposedly this graveyard consisted of hundreds of ships...this was not the case.

I would like to see that fixed. I want to see an actual ship graveyard full of hundreds of destroyed ships in EvE. However, I know that if CCP even mentions doing something like this the "bitter vets" will up and rage about it. The vets need to stop being little bitches and either play the game or leave.

Wrong. It's not all about PvP, PvP and PvP. It's very much about the market, the industrial side and the economic. The carebear stuff. It's a lot about that as well. I wan't WiS as well. And I wan't more ships. But i want the ships to fill a role, and i want FiS to work before they make WiS.

I would still say that there is a risk in scamming people. Both IRL and ingame :P Highsec ganking is not a risk because no one in Empire can PvP.. Suicide ganking would be very high risk if more players just knew a little of PvP. They could really laugh about all the greifers if "they" just had some balls and tried things. Piracy is high risk as well. I don't think you know what you are talking about sir.

Check out the "My Eve" section in the Eve forums and watch a PvP movie or two, it's high risk. Have you ever been -5? Now that's risky. Try it, i bet it will be game changing for you, in a good way. It's just a game. You dare to do it.

Enlighten us then. Ending a post like that is not very constructive, sir.

It is the bitter vets fault that the game has been dumbed down to suit new players?

I must have missed something when I skimmed the thread.

Bitter vet is bitter.

Hey find yourself a game that is like EVE but better.





























Oh, wai......

After being with this game for 5.5 years, does that make me a Bitter Vet or just a Grumpy Vet?

There are numerous points the OP mentioned I agree with. Yet the one aspect I believe he might be railing against but has not noted has been CCP's requirement of time to accomplish things in the game. While the original intention was this cold, harsh universe that translated into real life periods of boredom followed with a sudden adrenaline rush, today's game has been "sped up" in my opinion. What today's gamers take for granted, we old timers ~worked~ to get done. While I understand many of the reasons for the changes, the changes were not always for a better overall "feel" of the cold, harsh universe.

Eve was originally a downloaded game with no rating versus a store bought copy with ratings upon logging in.

The game was intended as an adult game with adult themes versus letting children play.
- One of my earliest missions from an agent was to supply her with a stash of drugs. That mission is long removed...
- Prostitutes used to be an "item" in the game.
- The old Quafe Gallentian station had a holographic picture of what almost appeared to be a naked woman dancing.

The 15 kilometer crawl to the gate versus jump bridges and warp to zero.

Learning skills: those players looking long term versus those that wanted something _now_.

The rivalries in game and in lore between the Amarrians versus the Minmatarians and the Caldarians versus the Gallentians was much more prominent.
- I was able to look at any avatar on the old forums and know instantly what race they were by their distinct clothing, facial features, and modifications. Today, everyone almost appears too modern.
- I "used" to have spiked hair and enough facial metalic features that I appeared more a terminator with a skin graft.
- Amarrians were known as slave owners and abusers and proud of it.

Players were proud to advance from frigate to cruiser versus "What do you mean I can't start with battleships?"

Wars seemed so epic back then that before I started playing here, I was reading on other gaming boards the great battles between Sir Molle and his Band of Brothers versus whomever was fighting them at the moment. Yet today, it seems if there is a battle report, it is one blob versus another blob with the server bellying up soon afterwards...

Oh yes, a great time killer: Quest, Pursuit, Comb, Sift.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble - must be getting senile with age.

I had been and it changed my impressions, you are right.

We rented a constelation and when we tryed to pay the bills, they blocked docking rights, undocked, killed our jump frighter, told the leaders "they refuse to pay" which then desided to kick us (and the billions we brought to this constelation) out again.

It was RA if you ask ... but doesn't matter as similar behavior is known from nearly all 00 entitys.

We stand infront of the RA station where we should pay WITH all the stuff and ISK they asked for .... but one of the FC was drungen, bored, stoned, had no sex and just for lulz destroyed everything we worked for.

THIS is 00 .... concratulations.

And then there are guys from AAA and -A- who steal mission loot to ransom the runners.

THIS are selve called PvP players .... concratulations.

Oh and Goons .... cool stroy with all the highsec suiziding they do ... great 00 ally ... concratulations.

And you wonder, why there is such a high demand for more laws and harder rules?

Playing as pure Pirate is ok. But when something is over-abused .... it NEED limitations!
Don't blame us high sec players. Blame the one, who over-abused it!

I'd like to see more risk for scammers. Right now, their biggest risk is not fooling anyone

Yes, I had it for a very short time by exident. Flying with a fleet in low and killed some PODs in bigger fights.
Took me less then 1h to get back to +secure.

That's why I know these sec-lose is a bad joke!

For the rest ... we planed it well.
We just didn't expect, that one stupid drunken guy who got no sex from his girly to have so much influence.

After that we just had to check this forum (the old forum to be exact) to notice: ALL 00 allys act like RA did with us!

Sorry, if they give into you, they gotta give in to everyone. You had a couple of good ideas though. You lost points for the lvl 4 idea though.