EVE General Discussion

After being away from EVE for something like a year I 'm downloading the game to give it another try.

Below is some text I found in the "newbies" forum. stuff like this scares the hell out of me and makes me wonder if I even should try to play this game again. Don't get me wrong, EVE is a nice game but I always feels like you have to be an Quantum mechanics engineer with at least 6hours of free time everyday to get somewhere in this game.
I know I'm probably stepping on some toe's but when I started to play WoW it took me 5 min to get the game and maybe 10 min to understand the game mechanics.
Another thing : in wow I have been in a nice guild for years now. no matter how many hours a week I can play. But in EVE its so hard to find a corp where casual players are welcome.
I would appreciate your thoughts on this

fly safe

this is a part of the piece I found in the newbies section :


This is quite a good introduction.
It should, however, add a basic fitting guide.
Here's something I've copied from another thread that some newbies have found useful. I wrote it to avoid EVE jargon unless that jargon is being explained.
General EVE fitting advice for the beginner that is currently trying to avoid PVP:
- Tank:
- Fit your race's preferred tank (armor for Amarr/Gall, shield otherwise). Don't deviate unless you know what you are doing.
- If you are armor tanking, do not fit ANY shield tanking modules, and vice versa. This is the most common mistake new players make.
- Emphasise resist% modules and local repair modules that use capacitor (for example, if you are armor tanking, look at Energized Adaptive Nano Plating II, Armor Kinetic Hardener II, and Medium Armor Repairer II). "Local repair" means modules that use capacitor to 'heal' damage you have already taken, as opposed to "remote repair" modules which use capacitor to 'heal' damage other player ships have taken.
- Use tech 2 resist modules if you can fit them, and cheap named ones such as Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I until then. (Faction/deadspace resist modules are too expensive to fit on a newbie's ship).
- Do not skimp on your local repair module(s) - it's perfectly reasonable to fit one deadspace (C-type) local repair module on a ship that is otherwise only using tech 2 modules. In my opinion, your local repair module should be the most expensive module on your ship.
- Consider rigs that improve your local repairs. Such rigs will result in you spending less capacitor repairing.
- Don't use modules that give +HP with no other benefit - these are for PVP encounters against multiple players that all focus fire, and don't help much in PVE except in incursions. They also have nasty drawbacks (the armor ones slow you down; the shield ones make you easier to hit and allow enemies to acquire a target lock on your ship more quickly)
- If in doubt, go overboard on tank and fit more defensive modules at the expense of less offensive ones.
- Resist% modules suffer diminishing returns. The second module on the same resist works at 87% effectiveness; the third at 57% and the fourth is almost useless (27%).

- Lastly: The Damage Control 2 is a useful tank module. If you screw up really badly, it will buy you a lot more time in structure before you pop, and its shield/armor resists are not stacking penalized at all.

- Sample armor tank for a cruiser that is fighting against Serpentis NPC pirates (Serpentis ships do only Kinetic and Thermal damage):
- 1 Armor Kinetic Hardener II
- 1 Armor Thermic Hardener II
- 1 Damage Control II
- 1 Medium Armor Repairer II
- Damage:
- Fit the weapons system(s) your ship has a bonus to, always.
- Fit low slot modules that increase damage output (Magnetic Field Stabilizers, Heat Sinks, Drone Damage Amplifiers etc) for your weapon system(s). If you are using split weapons systems (e.g. the Vexor which uses hybrids and drones) use an equal number of each.
- Consider mid slot modules that increase accuracy. This is more important with battleship weapons (including sentry drones).
- Consider rigs that increase your weapons system, although IMO local repair rigs are probably better.
- Have all of your guns match. This lets you group them, which will improve your ability to apply damage in practice.
- Carry different types of ammunition, within reason. I recommend one long range and one short range ammunition.
- If you are flying a missile-bonused ship, ask someone (not me) that understands missile mechanics well for advice.
- Finally, make sure you have some way to kill a small ship that is orbiting you fast. For most ships, this means Warrior I or Warrior II drones. Alternately, it can mean two Stasis Webifiers (to slow down the orbiting, making the target easier to track) and medium blasters with close-range ammo. Just don't be 'that person' begging in local for help because your Hyperion is being warp disrupted in a mission by a frigate you cannot hurt.
- Utility:
- This is really up to you. I like to dictate range, so I fit my Ishtar with a microwarpdrive and two Stasis Webifiers, and a warp scrambler (in case I find myself in unexpected PVP).
- In PVE environments, it is usually better to not bother with modules that reduce one opponent's capacity to shoot you. Modules that do that, such as Sensor Dampeners, ECM "jammers", and Tracking Disruptors are best used against hostile players, not against NPCs.
- Good utility mods worth considering are:
- Cap Recharger II: Always fit these in slots you do not feel you need.
- Microwarp Drive: These are murder on capacitor, but really help you navigate the battlefield quickly, escaping from ships that are dangerous up close such as 'brawler-fit' battleships. 1MN is for frigates and destroyers, 10MN is for cruisers and a

I'm sure there's some good advice in there

EVE is harder than WoW. There are many welcoming corps. EVE can be played casually. Someone took the time to explain fitting and it is too much for you? EVE is not for everyone.

My $0.02.....

Sounds like RvB would be right up your alley. Very casual and entirely focused on the pewpew.

http://www.themittani.com/features/eve-pvp-newbies
http://www.themittani.com/features/ewar-newbies

There are websites with ship fits to guide you. Just pick the ship you can fly and look it up, then match the T1 modules (you probably shouldn't fly battle cruisers or battleships until you get the hang of the game).

I often say:
"Waste of Web, aka World of Warcraft, was so successful because it was the first MMO that could be played on almost any machine and by any idiot."

The corporation hunt will be your problem but NPC corps help, you can form a tight, small corp of casual players if you spend enough time in there and even have regular specre fleets. EVE is known as sandbox for a reason.

Think of it this way, imagine programming a robot to tie shoe laces .... getting it to move X distance one way, then another, detecting the right object, trying to get it to loop and thread through, creating the right tension without ripping the laces appart. Break it all down and it can seem like a mammoth task but watch someone do it a few times and you can copy it as second nature.
That is all a learning curve is, a set of things to ingest, then when you are over the hump; most of it becomes easy subconscious thinking.

Lol, send me a mail in game. Fair warning: I only rerolled about two weeks ago, so this character is nigh-on useless outside missioning.

EVE is too complicated and time consuming for everybody.


Yet they manage to have a good time.....

Here is my simple advice for those who are looking at EVE and wondering "can I actually do this?"


EVE is a "process game."

It is not possible to learn "everything" and THEN dive in.

Even if you think you know "everything" the game will quickly teach you otherwise... and you will learn from it.

As you learn the basics... you will learn more and more how interconnected everything is.

You will lose many things during this time.

And when you finally stop losing so much and believe "hey... I may have just learned everything I need to know" the game will again teach you otherwise... and you will learn that you know nothing.

You will repeat this process. You will get mad. You will get frustrated. You will try other games. And then you will realize what it is that keeps you playing EVE; it is the sheer mountain of information this game has and the difficulty in applying it that draws you in.

You realize that no one else knows "everything" in this game. That they are all just as dumb.

You realize that if you focus on knowing ONE area of the game... you can beat people through sheer learned experience.

And from that point on you truly begin to "know EVE."

Exactly, and after those 15 minutes...WoW will become a boring grind. The fun of EVE is that it takes time to learn and isn't your standard instant gratification game.

p.s. A LOT of very casual player corps around. I've known people who came back after not playing EVE for nearly 2 years and they were still in teh same corp.

You do know that for 99.9% of those corps, that 10mil SP limit, isn't set in stone.

It's just a simple counter to prevent obvious alts to infiltrate the corp. But if you show very good "player skill" and a good attitude, they most likely disregard you aren't 10mil SP yet.