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Being griefed by other industry players.

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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#21 - 2011-12-19 21:27:15 UTC
There are lots of types of pvp and this is one of them. Ive been threatened for selling stuff that undercuts someone else.

Just enjoy it.

The entire point of this game is to lick the tears of someone else face and its not just weapons that do it.

Remember if its any form of market pvp that are threatening you because you are pulling tears from their ducts and they dont even know it


Also minerals are not free. They are gay, but not free
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
mogwai
Gremlin Mining and Exploration
#22 - 2011-12-19 21:31:45 UTC
Morganta wrote:


anyone who considers a video game activity to be an occupation is a bigger fool



Well said! Big smile

i run lvl 4 missions, mine when i feel like chilling out and chatting.... Eve is more like a hobby to me that breaks up the normal day to day grind of rl.

In the past, i have sold domi's for 50 mill and cruisers from STUPIDLY low prices.... why? because i can.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#23 - 2011-12-19 21:32:06 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
You lost me at "I got these rocks for free..."

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-12-19 21:37:41 UTC
Diana Dour wrote:
"y u mine?"
"to build things you ******* idiot"

And people wonder why Goons like to blow up miners so much.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#25 - 2011-12-19 21:39:21 UTC
rocks are free, npc bounties are free, incursions are free. There is basically 0 risk for doing pve in highsec and people do what is fun for them.

if you want it, take it. its a game. Stop with the opportunity cost crap, its a game. Eve has simplified market mechanics, submarine physics etc. Its a game.

If you play eve with the lone goal to accumulate isk without enjoying the game itself - you should really think about what you are doing.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#26 - 2011-12-19 21:44:14 UTC
Diana Dour wrote:
It's bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots on the outside


No. Its bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots like you.

Here's some friendly advice, just sell the ores/minerals that you mine, you'll make more money, and save some time.

Leave the real industrial stuff to the clever people (read as: people who can do basic arithmetic)

kthxbai

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#27 - 2011-12-19 21:44:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Essentially, the OPis providing a public service for people that specialize in reselling under priced items in EVE.

If he enjoys this, and understands that in doing so he is taking a hit to the profits he could be making, more power to him.

If he doesn't understand that he is making less money this way..... more power to him. Smile

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Information Agent
Apparently Miners
#28 - 2011-12-19 21:45:06 UTC
Too many accountants playing EVE lol.

I really really dont understand where ya all are getting this 'minerals aren't free' thing from, I can only think that maybe the cost of subbing the acc that the mining is happening on is what ya mean.

I just dont see it, everything Ive ever done in game was done with the view of 'fun' or 'something to pass a bit of time' and I never once thought to myself "Omg Im losing xxx isk per hour doing this" or "sweet Im making xxx isk per hour doing this", I think ya all need to seriously take a break from EVE if all ya can think about is the game currency, or the $15, sure the isk is important but its not real.

Isk is worthless in my opinion/perspective, I cant use it in rl, I cant do anything non EVE related out of game with it, and the only thing I can think of that could make it have any real value is buying plexes which I dont, so I pay my sub to play the game, not be a slave to isk/hour efficiency.

Activities in EVE are worth nothing but fun, its a game, theres no need to attach a monetry value to every mouse click you make.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#29 - 2011-12-19 21:46:35 UTC
Grey Azorria wrote:
Diana Dour wrote:
It's bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots on the outside


No. Its bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots like you.

Here's some friendly advice, just sell the ores/minerals that you mine, you'll make more money, and save some time.

Leave the real industrial stuff to the clever people (read as: people who can do basic arithmetic)

kthxbai



Maybe she enjoys the process and isn't enslaved to the almighty Isk likeyou clever people seem to be.

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-12-19 21:49:49 UTC
The way I see it, the industrialists who sell below cost are like the gankers who attack non-profitable targets. Just for the lulz.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#31 - 2011-12-19 21:50:48 UTC
Information Agent wrote:
Too many accountants playing EVE lol.

I really really dont understand where ya all are getting this 'minerals aren't free' thing from, I can only think that maybe the cost of subbing the acc that the mining is happening on is what ya mean.

I just dont see it, everything Ive ever done in game was done with the view of 'fun' or 'something to pass a bit of time' and I never once thought to myself "Omg Im losing xxx isk per hour doing this" or "sweet Im making xxx isk per hour doing this", I think ya all need to seriously take a break from EVE if all ya can think about is the game currency, or the $15, sure the isk is important but its not real.

Isk is worthless in my opinion/perspective, I cant use it in rl, I cant do anything non EVE related out of game with it, and the only thing I can think of that could make it have any real value is buying plexes which I dont, so I pay my sub to play the game, not be a slave to isk/hour efficiency.

Activities in EVE are worth nothing but fun, its a game, theres no need to attach a monetry value to every mouse click you make.



To explain what people are saying (and no, what he is doing does not upset me in the slightest).

You mine 100 million ISK worth of minerals.
You build a BS that normally costs 110 million ISK.
You sell that BS for 80 million ISK to ensure a quick sale.

In doing so:

You have lost 20 million ISK that you could have gotten by simply selling the minerals.
You have (alternatively) lost 30 million ISK that you could have gotten for selling the BS at a normal competetive price.

Hope that made sense. It did in my head.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#32 - 2011-12-19 21:53:00 UTC
Anyone that is upset that the OP is selling his BS below cost should instead be upset that they never realized they should simply buy his ships and resell them for a profit. Smile

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gfldex
#33 - 2011-12-19 21:53:04 UTC
Diana Dour wrote:
Industrialist who buy off of the market lol@u I will continue to undercut you, because it is half the fun.


And I will keep buying under priced items and stick them right back on the market. Why exactly did you wrote that post?

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Information Agent
Apparently Miners
#34 - 2011-12-19 21:57:05 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Hope that made sense. It did in my head.


Perfect sense thankyou Ranger 1. :)

The thing I don't understand, is the uproar when someone does exactly what your example listed. You would think someone just stole all their corp assets in the way they go on about it like "Omg you are losing isk you muppet, the end is nigh" hehe.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#35 - 2011-12-19 22:02:45 UTC
It pretty much boils into mining ore worth of 30mils and selling it for 20mils (as a ship) which is ofc. a very logical way of making business isn't it, especially when you could get 30mil by just selling the minerals separately ...
ofc. selling ships low price in mass quantities a sure fire way to get a more decent profit margin but that's still less then you could get by selling just the minerals but I've stopped arguing against "minerals are free" crowd and use my alt to make other stuff that has better profit margins.
Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-12-19 22:02:59 UTC
Trolling or not, this is one of those topics that has jack-booted idiots on both sides. Opportunity-Costers, Time-is-money people, and those willing to fly 20+ jumps to make 10 extra isk.

Do what works for you: only you know your own economics, and anything else is boolshite. If you're building to use yourself, anyone else's opinion on value (notice I said "value", and not "cost"?) is crap and not worth even talking about. If you're building to sell on market, do what shows up as an increased wallet, and no amount of idiocy from people who don't even know what economics are matters one whit.

Guy one tower over wants to travel 25 jumps to make an extra 1 million isk on a sale? Let him. His opinion has no effect on your wallet, and what you choose to sell your items at are of no relevance to him (unless he buys it, presumably increasing the size of your wallet).
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-12-19 22:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Nephilius
Ranger 1 wrote:
Information Agent wrote:
Too many accountants playing EVE lol.

I really really dont understand where ya all are getting this 'minerals aren't free' thing from, I can only think that maybe the cost of subbing the acc that the mining is happening on is what ya mean.

I just dont see it, everything Ive ever done in game was done with the view of 'fun' or 'something to pass a bit of time' and I never once thought to myself "Omg Im losing xxx isk per hour doing this" or "sweet Im making xxx isk per hour doing this", I think ya all need to seriously take a break from EVE if all ya can think about is the game currency, or the $15, sure the isk is important but its not real.

Isk is worthless in my opinion/perspective, I cant use it in rl, I cant do anything non EVE related out of game with it, and the only thing I can think of that could make it have any real value is buying plexes which I dont, so I pay my sub to play the game, not be a slave to isk/hour efficiency.

Activities in EVE are worth nothing but fun, its a game, theres no need to attach a monetry value to every mouse click you make.



To explain what people are saying (and no, what he is doing does not upset me in the slightest).

You mine 100 million ISK worth of minerals.
You build a BS that normally costs 110 million ISK.
You sell that BS for 80 million ISK to ensure a quick sale.

In doing so:

You have lost 20 million ISK that you could have gotten by simply selling the minerals.
You have (alternatively) lost 30 million ISK that you could have gotten for selling the BS at a normal competetive price.

Hope that made sense. It did in my head.


It made as much sense as a woman believing that she saved money by buying a pair of $200 shoes for $150. To put it more simply, for some there is no value attached to what they mine, when they mine it. Even after selling the commodities or products made by the commodities, there is still no value. The only thing that matters is the 80 million made, not the 20-30 million lost. The loss isn't perceived, only the gain. The OPs perception is what matters here, not any abstract and fluxuating numbers.
"If."
Ai Shun
#38 - 2011-12-19 22:07:40 UTC
Information Agent wrote:
The thing I don't understand, is the uproar when someone does exactly what your example listed. You would think someone just stole all their corp assets in the way they go on about it like "Omg you are losing isk you muppet, the end is nigh" hehe.


Pedants. From my reading it is not that people are commenting on the OP's lack of market awareness. More that they are commenting on the use of "free minerals".
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#39 - 2011-12-19 22:10:50 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:
Diana Dour wrote:
It's bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots on the outside


No. Its bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots like you.

Here's some friendly advice, just sell the ores/minerals that you mine, you'll make more money, and save some time.

Leave the real industrial stuff to the clever people (read as: people who can do basic arithmetic)

kthxbai



Maybe she enjoys the process and isn't enslaved to the almighty Isk likeyou clever people seem to be.


I believe you are mistaking for a carebear. I am not.

By doing industry correctly you can plex your account(s) and have enough isk and (more importantly) plenty of time left over for pew pew. creating an optimal isk:hour:fun ratio.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#40 - 2011-12-19 22:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
Grey Azorria wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:
Diana Dour wrote:
It's bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots on the outside


No. Its bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots like you.

Here's some friendly advice, just sell the ores/minerals that you mine, you'll make more money, and save some time.

Leave the real industrial stuff to the clever people (read as: people who can do basic arithmetic)

kthxbai



Maybe she enjoys the process and isn't enslaved to the almighty Isk likeyou clever people seem to be.


I believe you are mistaking for a carebear.


Mistaken you for a carebear ? No just a.n.other 'people who don't play like me are dumb' kind. They come in all 'flavours'

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