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Reward Positive Sec Pilots when they kill Negative Sec Pilots
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Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-01-21 00:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Maccian
Reward the "good guys" of eve and motivate the care bears of high sec to venture into low security space by having concord reward pilots that have positive security statuses when they kill pilots that have negative security statuses in low security space.

A similar payout to the bounty system, a percentage of the ships value is paid by concord to pilots with positive sec on the kill mails.

I originally posted this in bad ideas section for giggles, but Having thought about it more I can only imagine it would create content and inspire certain pilots to get into PVP, that is where the most fun is at! Question

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Reward Positive Sec Pilots when they kill Negative Sec Pilots

This is just an Idea, I am not concerned with the finer points or have enough knowledge of game mechanics to point them out!

I am posting to see your opinions and maybe show CCP there is room for improvement here.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2015-01-21 00:06:48 UTC
You get bounty payout and whatever loot drops from said player.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#3 - 2015-01-21 00:07:31 UTC
It would be really, really easy to farm that.
Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-01-21 00:15:45 UTC
I don't think the bounty system is sufficient reward for any "bounty hunters out there", is there actually any? I see it only as a bonus myself.

There are loads of FW pilots and Pirates in low sec, not enough anti-piracy. IMO

I mostly find myself fighting other pirates, null sec alliances, faction warfare people. The positive sec status people are always seen as an easy kill, running as fast as they can away from anyone red. I'd like to see gangs of positive sec players with a passion for killing pirates.
Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-01-21 00:16:57 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
It would be really, really easy to farm that.


Can you easily farm the bounty System?
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#6 - 2015-01-21 00:21:15 UTC
I like the idea, a possible payout could be concord lp based on the value of the kill.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#7 - 2015-01-21 00:22:39 UTC
Maccian wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
It would be really, really easy to farm that.


Can you easily farm the bounty System?
Because the bounty and insurance addup to slightly less than the price of a ship, no. Add anything to that and it breaks down.
Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2015-01-21 00:31:47 UTC
So I just shoot myself with a 5.0 alt and profit? No, this won't work. For the same reason the bounty system doesn't work. This is a game of alts.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-01-21 00:38:44 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Maccian wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
It would be really, really easy to farm that.


Can you easily farm the bounty System?
Because the bounty and insurance addup to slightly less than the price of a ship, no. Add anything to that and it breaks down.


Well that is a problem..

I certainly would not like it to be exploitable.

Maybe someone has an genius idea for a mechanic to avoid that.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#10 - 2015-01-21 00:57:58 UTC
Maccian wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Maccian wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
It would be really, really easy to farm that.


Can you easily farm the bounty System?
Because the bounty and insurance addup to slightly less than the price of a ship, no. Add anything to that and it breaks down.


Well that is a problem..

I certainly would not like it to be exploitable.

Maybe someone has an genius idea for a mechanic to avoid that.

If there was, we wouldn't have the laughable bounty system we currently do.

This got majorly hashed over back when CCP was introducing the latest iteration of the bounty system. Anything that's of sufficient motivation to make a person go forth and do it is easy enough to abuse with alts or friends.
Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-01-21 01:06:23 UTC
It seems, I should rename this to "Fix the Bounty" system Shocked
Lugh Crow-Slave
#12 - 2015-01-21 01:16:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You get bounty payout and whatever loot drops from said player.

yeah whats wrong with this?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-01-21 01:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Maccian
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You get bounty payout and whatever loot drops from said player.

yeah whats wrong with this?


The reward for loot drops and bounty is somewhat acceptable I guess if you are PVPing a lot.

I should add that not every pilot with a negative sec status has a bounty, they tend to loose ships a lot, unless they have some attachment to their donated bounties and decide to become risk averse or are just to pro.

I have no idea of what a care bear or high sec merc might think, maybe they are happy with the bounty system?

Do they have no desire to fight the good fight and get some vengeance on the outlaws of new eden?

I think it would be great if we saw the high sec players punishing others for breaking concord's rules.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2015-01-21 02:09:20 UTC
I have +5 sec status.

I am not a 'good guy' by any standard. You might want to change up your terminology. Pirate
Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-01-21 02:22:30 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
I have +5 sec status.

I am not a 'good guy' by any standard. You might want to change up your terminology. Pirate


I am assuming your in null sec, bit of a different case, however!

I'd bet your character isn't the type to break any concord rules, I'd also bet you won't be podding anyone with that toon in low or high security space anytime soon will you? You are not breaking any concord rules in null sec, so by Concord's standards I would class you as a good guy P

So you should still be awarded riches for killing pirates in low sec buddy! Even if that is just your isk making char and you'r actually ganking these poor high sec people all day on your main.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#16 - 2015-01-21 02:37:35 UTC
Fun idea... lots of abuse potential, but fun idea.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#17 - 2015-01-21 02:43:50 UTC
I fail to see why you deserve any special treatment, other than what is already given. Whether this be from the loot fairy, bounty office or kudos value of the boat you violenced.

Most self labelled 'good guys' I have met in Eve, tend to be the exact opposite. Just because you have shot some NPC entity at some point, doesn't equate to you being 'good'.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-01-21 02:43:56 UTC
so besides hooking up 0.0 on low sec roams what is this doing really?

0.0 would just get paid to low sec roam. When I did this with healthy ratting and shooting anything not blue on low sec roams I still had no sec status issues (let pods live is the secret, dings come slower ergo less fixing needing ratting). SO they'd get paid.


Not seeing an empire bear go oooh, I get paid 50K if pirate is in a cruiser....yep, its time to teach those tuskers a lesson they won't forget.

Here is the deal....if an empire bear feels the pvp itch at some point they have much better options. WH's or 0.0. Or they can roll up in RvB once in while as well to never even have to leave empire tbh.

They get their pvp fix...and get paid well at the same time. Here in lies the issue with low sec. It lacks this allure imo. Low sec's only allure, imo, is if you truly hate the blob and hate probing and d-scanning all night it gives you a place to play out of empire.
Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-01-21 03:05:48 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
so besides hooking up 0.0 on low sec roams what is this doing really?

0.0 would just get paid to low sec roam. When I did this with healthy ratting and shooting anything not blue on low sec roams I still had no sec status issues (let pods live is the secret, dings come slower ergo less fixing needing ratting). SO they'd get paid.


Not seeing an empire bear go oooh, I get paid 50K if pirate is in a cruiser....yep, its time to teach those tuskers a lesson they won't forget.

Here is the deal....if an empire bear feels the pvp itch at some point they have much better options. WH's or 0.0. Or they can roll up in RvB once in while as well to never even have to leave empire tbh.

They get their pvp fix...and get paid well at the same time. Here in lies the issue with low sec. It lacks this allure imo. Low sec's only allure, imo, is if you truly hate the blob and hate probing and d-scanning all night it gives you a place to play out of empire.


I'd be in favor of null alliances roaming for pirates. I am not saying the reward has to be ISK or LP, it could even be earning positive sec-status? There are a lot of role-players and players out there that love their 5.0 sec status, maybe they could reach a glorious 10.0 sec status and have the envy of all the bears.

I imagine it is these players that would find bounty or pirate hunting more alluring than others.
Maccian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-01-21 03:09:52 UTC
Mag's wrote:
I fail to see why you deserve any special treatment, other than what is already given. Whether this be from the loot fairy, bounty office or kudos value of the boat you violenced.

Most self labelled 'good guys' I have met in Eve, tend to be the exact opposite. Just because you have shot some NPC entity at some point, doesn't equate to you being 'good'.


I haven't labeled myself a good guy at all.

and how dare you accuse me of shooting NPCs!
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