EVE General Discussion

I may be naive here because I don't mission, but I thought the value in the missions, like the SOE in particular, came from the loyalty points, not loot from the rats.

Once you build up enough loyalty poiints to access good things in the LP Store, you can sell those on the market and make very good ISK.

So I thought running missions quickly and not worrying about loot/salvage provided the best income overall.

Could be totally wrong though.

I get that its very chance to see what drops. Just like in player vs player battles and kills. Sometimes, no plex drop out of 80 plex in a ship. This I understand and though I might not agree with the total mechanics I understand it's reason.

However, allowing NPC to have proper drops is not going to mess up the entire system. Giving a new player or other wise modules to actually fit a ship would be a huge help, this is much more helpful to the new player of course.

They have burner missions that pose a challenge to a solo player even in a good ship, so why not turn up the level of missions with less rat, but more better loot. Nothing has to be game breaking, but I would rather spend 30 minutes on a mission with possible loot for my ship fit (not even super mods), I would rather have then 10 minutes and nothing to show except for mission rewards(terrible).

The arguments I hear are " oh the old people will not like it!", "people abuse this current system and will do so again" (what changes?), "it will rip the fabric of space and time too our player market", These are just terrible the sky is falling type of ideas.

It would not break the game to offer a little better NPC drops, or go through the system a bit and seed things differently. Allow for new players to be able to fit their ships, or experiment with different fits. Not spend all isk on a few mods or 3 hours trying to find a good priced fit out.

Are you salvaging the wrecks as well as looting modules? i found that the salvage was worth more than the loot for lv1 and some lv2 missions.
Then use the ISK and buy what you actually need.

There are so many types of module there is no way other than the market to get the item you need without completely swamping you useless in loot.

Just stop. You're invoking Malcanis' Law here. What "good loot" will cause it to be spammed by literally everyone including the bittervets with OVER9000 accounts thus saturating the market with the "good loot" thus dropping its prices.

Also stop missioning like a scrub. Also stop being poor hunting for the "best-priced" module in the region so you can save a piddly 5000 ISK. It is not worth the time.

Once upon a time, loot was a part of the EVE experience.

Then came nerf bat.

CCP has, over the years, been reducing the amount of loot dropped from the NPCs. The reason: The market is saturated with the stuff. There is so much that a good part of it gets melted down for minerals, even now with the low drop rate and reprocessing nerf.

As a result, most of the loot you think you should be getting would be almost worthless, so you are not missing out on much.

You may ask "Why not have expensive stuff drop?" Well, if CCP did that, then the market for those items would crash and they too would be almost worthless.

The amount of money you can make from loot drops is limited to the amount other players are willing to spend to buy your loot. If they are not willing to buy piles and piles of modules, then the price will crash to the mineral value.

Many modules are at that price point, the mineral value. Which means we still have too much loot dropping from NPCs.

OP is operating on old information. CCP nerfed the **** out of all missions.

Its not just the SOE missions. I have tried my hand at few different ones hoping for decent drops. More or less trying to fit my ships with the loot I find to save ISK(saving up for arbitrator). The amount of missions I have had to run, must be now 100 or so and I still can't fit one ship. The loot is either terrible or not even for the correct racial ship bonus type mods.

I see most of the reasons in here are as I expected after trying to research why missions are so terrible in EVE. Mostly old players talking about how they don't want something changed. That farmers will make the loot terrible because of mass reprocessing. Is that not good for ship building? Market? Battleships costing 50-100 mil again?

There has to be a better way for new players to get things onto their ships and get started in the game. Not this over hashed out vet mission cycles that maker sure the vets dont' get bothered by the nflux of crap mods into the game. Well the reduce the materials to build said item then you get less reprocess, there has to be better ways.

Saying don't change one of the worst systems in the game with the excuses I have heard are not correct. PVP game? what about all the other elements, this is not only PVP game.. or PVE would not be in it. Markets that can be manipulated is not ONLY pvp. These excuse that it in someway is smart way to adapt new players to the PVP world of eve is just dumb and short sighted.

If the game is so royally messed up that they can't touch the loot tables because it would throw the game out of wack to drop more non-named tech I mods into the game.. then something is far more wrong than newbro's getting a proper drop to fit their ships after 100 missions.

OP has a point though, there are some breed of NPC's that 'only' drop metal scraps (or worse - nothing). That's not loot fairy, or chance, that's design.

Is that what OP is getting at?

Rest of NPC's rotate pretty good.

(perosnally I'd just go off and shoot other types of NPC that ive out more varied drops - if you're after the drops that is, persoanlly the salvage is worth more, plus bounties).

and what's wrong with having by design some npcs that have no drop ?