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Dev blog: The Svipul Tactical Destroyer andProjectile Changes

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#41 - 2015-01-20 15:54:59 UTC
theDisto wrote:
Fozzie, have you considered potentially changing the ammo bonuses for projectiles from optimal range to falloff.

This would provide a significant buff to autocannons, providing T1 ammo options and bringing barrage behaviour more in line with them, and less a necessity. It would shake up artillery setups and the meta, which I don't think would be a bad thing.


approved, but I think it would be better to make all ammos do optimal and falloff, and then start handing out some generic optimal and falloff range bonuses for projectile and hybrid ships. just optimal or just falloff is a substantially weaker bonus when your weapon is half optimal half falloff.
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#42 - 2015-01-20 15:58:55 UTC
GIVE IT TO ME.

Knocked this one out of the park guys.
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#43 - 2015-01-20 15:59:14 UTC
my love holoe is ready and eagerly awaiting your engorged love rod!! <3<3<3

bet seariously; well done cant wait to take this new baby out for a spin
Hunter Anubis
50 Shades Of Blaster
#44 - 2015-01-20 16:04:02 UTC
Honestly that t3 desighn is missing something let me desribe it for you

Sniper mode version - change cookpit location
- give it hands on the sides
- Give it rifle in its hand

and there you go you have your standart issue LEV

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#45 - 2015-01-20 16:07:29 UTC
Dat name...

This guarantee scouts will never be able to pass intel in time. Due to the time lost thinking about how to pronounce it.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2015-01-20 16:11:59 UTC
Ok ... how do you saay eet?

BUT AWESOME!!!!!!

... still cant fit a full rack of arti's lol

No Worries
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#47 - 2015-01-20 16:13:42 UTC
Add an animation where a piece of it blows off the ship once it hits structure, and everything will be great.

Not needed though, good ship.

Yaay!!!!
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#48 - 2015-01-20 16:20:41 UTC
I see you too like the le vertical meme

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Eli Porter
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2015-01-20 16:21:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Porter
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Eli Porter wrote:
Considering the handicap of projectile ammo (the 10s ammo switch timer) I'm not sure "nerfing" Barrage is as necessary as it was for Scorch.


the scorch nerf may as well have not even happened. and barrage, like all T2 ammo, needs a big rework.


The scorch nerf made more sense since energy weapons already have the advantage of instant switching. Projectile weapons on the other hand have a 10 second switch/reload timer, so if you're gonna switch ammo it better be worth the time. It's already barely worth the time with AC's so people are reluctant to switch ammo mid-fight, and with the nerf to Barrage you'll see even less people doing so.
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#50 - 2015-01-20 16:28:55 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Vertical spaceships and a buff to Autocannon falloff?! This may be the best patch yet!


Edit 2: I forgot about the Engineering skill. It doesn't really need more powergrid. It would still be better off with a falloff bonus though, since there are no good frigate sized Minmatar ships with proper autocannon bonuses. The wolf is better fit artillery than autocannon, it doesn't count.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#51 - 2015-01-20 16:29:21 UTC
Is it reasonable to assume that following T3 releases will be every other release? So, for instance, the Caldari T3 will come somewhere around April, and the Gallente one somewhere around June?

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Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#52 - 2015-01-20 16:29:37 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Dat name...

This guarantee scouts will never be able to pass intel in time. Due to the time lost thinking about how to pronounce it.


i was just going to refer to it as the "fracking vertical one"
Musashi Date
#53 - 2015-01-20 16:29:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Musashi Date
smë - plè..

Am I pronouncing it right?

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#54 - 2015-01-20 16:30:35 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Vertical spaceships and a buff to Autocannon falloff?! This may be the best patch yet!


a tiny fake buff to autocannons mostly confirms that there won't be a real buff for an extremely long time. kind of like the -50 hull nerf to ishtars.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#55 - 2015-01-20 16:31:52 UTC
I'm not sure autocannons are that reliant on barrage to deal damage in the first place. Regardless, the falloff boost is appreciated
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#56 - 2015-01-20 16:33:52 UTC
Svipul:

As others have mentioned - falloff as a bonus would be better then optimal. Falloff you can do either AC or Arty. Optimal shoehorns you into Arty. The MWD sig bloom reduction as part of the defensive bonus seems out of place as well. MWD in brawling range? If not in brawling range I'm going to prefer speed or range. Lastly - I know everyone is excited about vertical and all - but the only configuration that the destroyer is NOT vertical is when it is in speed mode. I cringed a bit at that.

Arty Changes:

10% more damage sounds nice - but honestly only my Thrasher will get the benefit of that. Small ships that use arty off the top of my head:

Thrasher, Wolf, Firetail, Jaguar (lol - replaced by Wolf in most cases)

Minmatar have only a handful of small ships that can fit 280's and not be joke fits. The Rifter, for example, has the worst fitting grid of any combat frigate - both in PG and CPU.

Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#57 - 2015-01-20 16:35:58 UTC
I look forward to flying the ship!

I was hoping that Quake, Tremor and Hail would get some attention. Are you happy with them as they are?
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#58 - 2015-01-20 16:40:48 UTC
not sure about increasing the alpha though? .. not sure how bad alpha is on thrashers compared to tornado's..

i would suggest making arties falloff based and then provide the falloff bonus instead of optimal..
since your reducing the 50% - 40% T2 range ammo could also de-nerf the the high damage short range T2 ammo?
75% and 50% are hefty penalties to range to have... kind of makes javelin and the other 2 quite useless ammo

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#59 - 2015-01-20 16:42:55 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Svipul:

As others have mentioned - falloff as a bonus would be better then optimal. Falloff you can do either AC or Arty. Optimal shoehorns you into Arty. The MWD sig bloom reduction as part of the defensive bonus seems out of place as well. MWD in brawling range? If not in brawling range I'm going to prefer speed or range. Lastly - I know everyone is excited about vertical and all - but the only configuration that the destroyer is NOT vertical is when it is in speed mode. I cringed a bit at that.

Arty Changes:

10% more damage sounds nice - but honestly only my Thrasher will get the benefit of that. Small ships that use arty off the top of my head:

Thrasher, Wolf, Firetail, Jaguar (lol - replaced by Wolf in most cases)

Minmatar have only a handful of small ships that can fit 280's and not be joke fits. The Rifter, for example, has the worst fitting grid of any combat frigate - both in PG and CPU.



wolf in proper fit does not use artillery. jaguar doesn't even undock because it's seriously somehow even worse than the other AFs, possibly the worst ship class in the game.

the issue here is that artillery are the second hardest weapon in the game to fit, and autocannons are the easiest weapon in the game to fit. they closed this gap a little bit, but they need to close it way more. otherwise you end up with ships that can not fit artillery, and you get ships that can fit artillery, but get infinite fitting when they fit autocannons.
Pokerizer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2015-01-20 16:43:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Pokerizer
I hate being negative when it comes to new ships but when you guys design minmatar ships do you just say to yourselves "how ugly and ******** looking can we make this thing?" Please please do not let that slight against God of a monstrosity you posted be anything even close to what it's going to actually look like.

With that being said I love the new class and the bonuses and stats for it are looking impressive. Thanks for all your hard work.