Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm personally fine with needing an escort to counter bumping, which is why I prefer this approach. The aggressors have dedicated one or more ships, planning, etc. to the effort, it should not be something you can escape without friends/alts too. I think your suggestion is actually OP because of this; a solo freighter/cap ship should NOT be able to escape a well-executed bump.

The reasons a webber is not sufficient as the counter-bumping escort have been covered in this thread pretty clearly. Also the reasons manually piloting is not a valid counter as well. People in freighters have been locked down for HOURS despite having webbers on-grid and interceptors trying to give them moving warp-outs. That's why I'm proposing a module that will address the issue mechanic to mechanic.

Scrams and points still work in high sec, perhaps the gankers could adapt? I mean, seriously it's not like bumping is the only way to stop someone aligning/warping - it's not like you're going to crash the ship back to a gate or into a POS shield or something.




This is a good point, one you would do well to remember as you deprive a pilot of control of their ship with zero repercussions whilst you hide behind concord.

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Given the risk around bumping, which is currently ZERO, can anyone explain why should it not be trivial to circumvent with friends using a method that does not rely on the vagaries of the client? If you want to keep someone on field do what everyone else does: man up and flag up. I mean we all understand risk reward balance right? Where is my risk for being able to lock down a ship without the need for any combat flagging?

This is the fundamental issue here - there is literally no risk whatsoever to the activity - that breaks a cornerstone of eve.

No.
Tackled carrier?
Drop suicide cruiser that have enough med slots....

Why do you assume that freighters should be able to do everything in highsec? Ships have strengths, weaknesses and thus various purposes in New Eden. For some hauling jobs I use a Providence, but for others I use an Epithal, an Impel or a warp-stabbed Interceptor. Using the right ship for the job (and with the appropriate fit) is a major part of what makes this game interesting. Nerfing bumping so that an AFK freighter is always the correct choice does nothing to make the game better.

Now this idea isn't as bad as some other "fixes" to the bumping issue as it still requires an escort, but it still has the same the ultimate effect of making freighters the only reasonable choice to use in highsec by reducing their primary (only?) weakness.

Freighters are capital ships that can have massive EHPs, carry large amount of cargo, but are slow and vulnerable to bumping. That is what the ship is. Use them when it is appropriate for your needs and risks you face, and use something else when it is not. It is simple as that.

Many a Titan has been lost because bumping prevented them from entering warp. Why do highsec haulers feel this fundamental mechanic that has been a weakness for capital ships for the history of Eve should be changed now, just so they don't have to fly the other ships that are immune to bumping? They have plenty of options on the table to avoid bumpers, do we really need a "counter" that will probably be rarely used, and when it is just result in more safety for an already safe profession?

It is in highsec unless you want freighter ganking to drop an order of magnitude in frequency. Bumping is the only way to lock down a freighter for enough time to get a gank fleet of sufficient size to overcome a freighter's EHP. With out it, gankers would have to always tag up their security status and sit on or near gates and even still, likely only ever catch AFK freighters. An at-the-keyboard freighter pilot would be near 100% safe, even fully cargo-fit.

I'm not saying it would be impossible, just much less frequent. Freighter ganking is already incredibly rare, do you really, really think increasing freighter safety even more would be good for the game overall?

Here I was planning to say "here we go again", but we're already into 3 pages of shitposting.
Whelp

I am intrigued by this idea that freighters, when bumped, start to randomly change direction mid-flight, making frigate alignment impossible.

It sounds like this would make follow up bumps harder as well, although it's difficult to judge, since I've not seen the client do anything like this ever.

I have also noted that someone from Red Frog has trouble avoiding freighter ganks.

No it doesn't get confused and no that does not happen.




This is very clearly a grr gankers thread therefore my advice is valid. You should also take the time to understand the very basics of ganking before posting rubbish such as you just did.

Yes it is.



Your plan does just that.



No you arn't, your plan calls for something that cannot possibly be countered.

You cannot identify assist ships on busy gates in high sec and we already have several highly effective counters to bumping already that the OP simply refuses to use. What he wants is a device that will make it impossible to hold down a target. Currently a freighter with a web escort is very hard to bump and they have a few options to save the freighter if it does get bumped.

You cant hard tackle in high sec, why do you think we bump these things in the first place if simply using a scram was viable?