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Why Amamake?

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Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-12-14 10:50:29 UTC
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Have a cyno covert ops w/probe launcher preposition some combat probes around the area. Now bump the carrier off station while the BC pilot is busy with your bait drake/dual rep myrm, etc. Point the carrier. Watch for obligatory lol in local.


I think the person in question used to use a merlin to rack up battleclinic points, scooping it up whenever he was losing. Bumping a carrier off station is easier said than done. Plus, you know, you'd need to organise a fairly reasonable gang to kill a carrier. If you were obsessive about it i guess you could do something like that. The easiest solution to that kind of garbage is to avoid the 1 out of 10,000 systems that those kinds of people base in.
Tavisturus
Screaming Hayabusa
#22 - 2011-12-16 00:20:02 UTC
You can still find some good fights in Amamake, you just have to spend some time in the system and get a feel for it. Get to know the locals, or at least learn to identify which ones tend to fly solo and which ones tend to sit in the top belt with backup ready to warp in.
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2011-12-16 02:18:47 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
A few things make Amamake fairly special...

- It has A LOT of stations to base out of. In fact, I think Amamake has THE most stations of any system (someone may want to fact-check me on that). More than that, it has quite a few moons to erect POSs at.

- It is right next to major Faction Warfare "rally systems" (Auga, Dal, Sesiede(sp?), and Vard)

- It is a "border system" between high-sec and low-sec.

- There are only two ways leading into low-sec in the general area... both of which pass through Amamake. The "short route" being from Osoggur to Amamake directly and the other one starting from the system Dammalin(sp?) and eventually leading to Amamake.

- Many low-sec "pipes" end up in Amamake, making it a major "flash-point" for gang/fleet activity.

- It is more or less in the "middle" of Empire space, making it ideal for passing capital fleets and storing capital assets.

- Due to it's reputation, many wannabe pirate corps try base around there to "test their meddle." Very few actually survive though (they either get crushed by the pirate corps already established there or they get smacked around one too many times by the local militia pilots).

edit:
nate555 wrote:
I believe it is the land of the pandemic legion


Pandemic Legion is only the latest "major" organization to set up shop in Amamake. Before it was BANE (which still maintains SOME presence but cannot operate like it used to due to PL.


You're not living up to your sig quote with this post at least.

1) The system with the most stations is Nonni, with 22. Amamake has few moons compared to other systems (21). Bosboger has 96, Auga 78 etc.

2) There is no low-sec pipe that ends in Amamake, as the whole make/dal/siseide/auga/lantorn/vard cluster is interconnected, and it's this connection that is part of the allure of make, which you also hint to yourself, so making your low-sec pipe argument even more odd.

3) It's far away from being in the middle of Empire, it's in the lower right hand quadrant by quite a long way. The middle of empire space is right around Dodixie (thanks in part because of the huge expanse of amarr lowsec in the lower left quadrant). Someone did a "middle of all eve" post back a few years ago and found out that it was 3 jumps from Jita, might have been before Drone regions were added though.

4) The reason you see a PL statue on the Osoggur gate has nothing to do with their recent deployment, which was basically a home coming. Way before Heretic and The United sat in Amamake Sniggerdly was there, camping the gate. It is very much the land of Pandemic Legion.

As for the real reasons for Amamake being the #1 on the all time kills list (best dev blog and related thread of all time) is a mix of some of the other points you threw together.

It's the low-sec entry on the shortest route autopilot route from Rens to Amarr & Dodixie, and cuts the travel time to both by over a half, hence many people braved the Osoggur gate, which gave rise to pirates. Since it was located within a cluster of interconnected systems and close to a market hub it provided good spawning grounds for warfare, and via agglomeration other combatants came to the system. Later CCP included it in the FW area and voila we have a system buzzing with activity. The other low-sec systems on Diagoras #10 list have similar backstories (Tama, Rancer, Egghelende, Old Man Star).

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-12-16 03:08:51 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Forums ate my post!

Have a cyno covert ops w/probe launcher preposition some combat probes around the area. Now bump the carrier off station while the BC pilot is busy with your bait drake/dual rep myrm, etc. Point the carrier. Watch for obligatory lol in local.

Now light cyno or have your gank fleet jump in. Station humping *** will forget all about 1v1 when he sees the cyno or local spike. But alas! He can't dock, warp, or jump his carrier anymore. He will either logoffski hoping you didn't bring enough dps (doesn't work anymore and he's dumb for not reading the patch notes), or he will stay and fight. Either way, you should win this one, unless he also has a cyno and a bigger fleet on standby.


man, thats a whole lot of :effort:

instead i could just not go into amamake and if i do ever find myself there, not try to fight lukka on the pator tech school undock.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-12-16 09:42:02 UTC
The reasons people like Amamake are many and I won't list them as they've been covered already. That being said I know for sure if you come in and ask for a 1v1 a Heretic will likely take you up on it and the rest of us will not intervene.

Amamake is busy because it is well known as PvP zone and so fleets move through multiple times a day looking for a fight, so if you're looking to take them up on it Amamake is the place to be. For a while PL liked to send in supercaps to frig fights at top belt but that seems to have dried up now for the most part.

If you're interested in frigate 1v1s I can guarantee there will be some the first friday of the new year. First friday of every month is frigfry friday in Amamake. Heretic Army sets up a channel for the event where you can look for a 1v1 prior to even entering the system if you like. Bring something bigger if you like but for the purposes of the event's success you can look forward to being swarmed if you don't bring a frigate hull of some description.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-12-18 17:20:21 UTC
It's been said- It's on the road to Rens, the major trade hub for Min.
There are also a heap of mission agents in the Rens area that send you into low sec around there.

You get good piracy on people feeding the market or buying stuff off it. There are mission runners all over the place. You can D-Scan pretty much all of the system easily. There's a bunch of stations there to boot. It's the closest low sec to Minnie newb areas as well, so the chance for a gank is high.

It's also where the monthly Frig Fry can be found, which is usually a lot of fun. Being so close to a major hub means you can buy and outfit replacement ships in short order too.

It is a popular pirate hangout, so expect camps and constant d-scanning. Any belt ratter or miner is just bait. Anyone NOT trying to hide from you or shoot you is bait. It's a dangerous system, which makes it one of the most fun to visit.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#27 - 2011-12-18 23:14:58 UTC
Zeerover wrote:
Proof I have no life and must win at forums


One day, you will get a girlfriend, and then we will lose the beauty of forum kings like you telling everyone which system has the most stations. Because it matters.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#28 - 2011-12-19 01:43:16 UTC
Zondrail wrote:
I just don't have the time to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight. ....


CCP has appearantly never thought of people like us. All of low sec pvp is based on aimlessly wandering around for hours hoping to find a fight.

Null sec pvp is based on waiting around for hours for a blob to form so you can hopefully gank a few things that are hopelessly outnumbered.

FW plexing seems the only hope for people like us who want to sign in for a few hours and get decent number of good fights.

Here is a proposal that I think would appeal to you.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#29 - 2011-12-19 08:57:49 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Zondrail wrote:
I just don't have the time to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight. ....


CCP has appearantly never thought of people like us. All of low sec pvp is based on aimlessly wandering around for hours hoping to find a fight.

Null sec pvp is based on waiting around for hours for a blob to form so you can hopefully gank a few things that are hopelessly outnumbered.

FW plexing seems the only hope for people like us who want to sign in for a few hours and get decent number of good fights.

Here is a proposal that I think would appeal to you.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&


CCP does not say what you should do in EVE, it gives only possibilities to do something.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-12-19 09:16:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaalira D'arc
Bad Messenger wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Zondrail wrote:
I just don't have the time to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight. ....


CCP has appearantly never thought of people like us. All of low sec pvp is based on aimlessly wandering around for hours hoping to find a fight.

Null sec pvp is based on waiting around for hours for a blob to form so you can hopefully gank a few things that are hopelessly outnumbered.

FW plexing seems the only hope for people like us who want to sign in for a few hours and get decent number of good fights.

Here is a proposal that I think would appeal to you.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&


CCP does not say what you should do in EVE, it gives only possibilities to do something.



That's actually too simplistic. CCP writes the rules and designs the incentive systems. While you're free to buck those incentives, people will generally play by the rules of the game.

To give an example from another genre, the Elder Scrolls series used to have 'Acrobatics' and 'Athletics' skills which you improve by jumping and running around, respectively. As a result, players bunny-hopped all over the place at full speed in order to max out those skills. The latest installment, Skyrim, no longer has those skills and thus players no longer felt the need to do such silly things. Unless they really wanted to.

In EVE, taking sovereignty and all the rewards that come with it is based on an alliance's capacity to anchor/destroy fixed structures with large amounts of HP. The reinforcement mechanic means these structures are only available during set times, allowing only a small window of opportunity to destroy them before the owning alliance can rep/refuel.

The resulting player behavior is that an attacking alliance must pile as many people into a system as possible during that window of opportunity to out-DPS the enemy and wipe out those structures. This encourages alliance recruitment and governance policies that allow them to marshal as many PCs as possible in compulsory CTAs. Thus, the mass 'blobs' people often complain about in nullsec are a direct result of game design decisions.

How CCP designs the incentives and rewards in low-sec will affect the nature of PvP in low-sec. This includes FW plexes.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#31 - 2011-12-19 10:28:42 UTC
Low/High sec border system.
More stations than anyone could ever want.
Big enough to be have spots that are "off-scan".
In jump range of a good bit of both null and low sec space.
Included in FW area.

The top one is probably what started Amak off in the beginning and the other reinforced the trend over time.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#32 - 2011-12-19 13:24:09 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Zondrail wrote:
I just don't have the time to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight. ....


CCP has appearantly never thought of people like us. All of low sec pvp is based on aimlessly wandering around for hours hoping to find a fight.

Null sec pvp is based on waiting around for hours for a blob to form so you can hopefully gank a few things that are hopelessly outnumbered.

FW plexing seems the only hope for people like us who want to sign in for a few hours and get decent number of good fights.

Here is a proposal that I think would appeal to you.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&


CCP does not say what you should do in EVE, it gives only possibilities to do something.


I'm not sure what the point of your post is. I never said ccp says what we should do. (although they certainly design mechanics that award and punish certain behaviour)

But what I am saying is CCP doesn't do anything for those like the op and myself who "don't have the itme to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight."

Do you disagree with that?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-12-19 18:55:45 UTC
Cearain wrote:
But what I am saying is CCP doesn't do anything for those like the op and myself who "don't have the itme to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight."

Do you disagree with that?


I agree, but I also know CCP is in a rough position; the playerbase largely wouldn't accept instanced PvP (with some missions/plexes being the exception) and any mechanic that compelled players to fight could be flipped to compel them to fight massively outnumbered/over-shipped. At least, that's what I would do, repeatedly push the "EJECT" button on stations and force people to welp their ****** fleets into me.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#34 - 2011-12-19 19:12:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Cearain wrote:
But what I am saying is CCP doesn't do anything for those like the op and myself who "don't have the itme to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight."

Do you disagree with that?


I agree, but I also know CCP is in a rough position; the playerbase largely wouldn't accept instanced PvP (with some missions/plexes being the exception) and any mechanic that compelled players to fight could be flipped to compel them to fight massively outnumbered/over-shipped. At least, that's what I would do, repeatedly push the "EJECT" button on stations and force people to welp their ****** fleets into me.


We both agree we don't want instanced pvp. That is the bad design way out.

I really don't think it's impossible to get mechanics that promote frequent quality small scale pvp. Just make faction war so that there are several plexes springing up at too many different places for a blob to get to in time. This will split the blobs up.

I'm not saying this is necessarilly easy to do right. It will no doubt take balancing because you don't want so many plexes so far spread out. Because then, everyone can do them without a fight. But you don't want too few where whoever has the biggest blob just wins. In between there is a balance where you have enough plexes in different areas where blobs can't cover them all but not so many that both sides can plex without ever running into eachother.

I also imagine the numbers of plexes will need to change over time as the number of people doing them increase.

This will take iterations to get it right. But it can be done, and would be worth doing.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Forum Fighter
Doomheim
#35 - 2011-12-19 20:41:11 UTC
Amamake is a FW hub and there is a noob pvp corp based out of there that camps the gates and EW blobbing lone guys in a frigate and such. Better fights to be had in Hevrice with The Tuskers IMO.

Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil Hat

Capital T
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-12-23 06:15:13 UTC
Its right next to a trade hub too...
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#37 - 2011-12-23 13:31:29 UTC
Come to Hevrice if you want quality small scale fights, particularly in frigates, around about 20:00 - 24:00 is when we're most active.
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2011-12-23 17:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: SeaSaw
Good Sirs;

Why go to Amamanke?

You can almost always get chased around 3.1 by whatever group is hanging out there that hour (usually heritics I think).

You can transfer your clone there if you are in a starter corp (like Pator Tech or whatever) and you don't have to stay since you don't have to go red to fight with the reds in system.

It is 6 steps to Rens (avoiding the always camped gate) using the osurgur exit.
It is 8 steps to Hek via the Dal exit (which is never camped).

Bosborger is 2 steps away and full of asteroid belts to wander if you get bored. I think my only kills in the last six months are in bosborger.

The real truth is I would rather get shot at by the gangs at 3.1 than wander empty space with the directional scanner for hours and hours and hours. I don't play much and want to engage and die right away. You also get to test yourself against the Navy Hookbill and the Ares with different fits, it is good to have predictable fits so you can try different things out and some of the people at Amamake never seem to change their fits.

So come and shoot it up. Or just ride around in a 5 stabbed rupture.

your humble servent
Seasaw
Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#39 - 2011-12-30 07:15:26 UTC
Amamake is the hotspot that it is for the reasons everybody else mentioned before me as well as the fact that it has Pator Tech School, and noobs swing by there for good deals on skillbooks. noobtrap! Plus, they might think Amamake is a cute name. Amamake some carebears cry, bronies! Hah, pun.

This line for rent! YOUR AD HERE!

Jimmyhatt
Contra Ratio
GameTheory
#40 - 2011-12-30 20:30:18 UTC
Its always been that way. It just didnt appear over time.. It has always been a PVP hub. Its easily accessable. As far back as I can remember its been a PVP hub.. I have been playing since 04 and im a current resident of Ama. Other systems have tried but Ama always provides fighs to the faithful.


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