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De-Minmatarization: First Tower Constructed and Operational

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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#261 - 2015-01-19 09:40:28 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Nauplius wrote:

Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them.

But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor.

You are right about one thing, not everyone is ready for all the responsibilitys freedom gives. You are the prime example of someone who should still be a slave.

I agree with this! Him and many other murderous blasphemers here should be reclaimed as slaves. I don't see the other way to turn them to the right path.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#262 - 2015-01-19 13:12:43 UTC
It really surprises me that no one tried to make a trap on that tower to catch some pro-gallentean pilots, who would rush to save "poor slaves" with foam at their mouths. Gallentean abolitionists are like cattle, thinking by emotions instead of cold calculations and could easily be trapped and eliminated.

But instead of precise and efficient operation I see this drama like in some trash cheap gallentean flick about "saving poor slaves".

Wake up, peoples! Don't you see you are manipulated and can't think clearly? I am really getting sick from such atrocious use of resources. Do you think you are better than Mr. Nauplius by destroying his tower?

Bull*censored*.

You are *censored* the same.

And to another weakling who would moan about "but slaves, but people lives". This is freaking WAR. People DIE here.

Are you captains of space ships or crybabies?!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#263 - 2015-01-19 17:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starfall
Diana Kim wrote:
Wake up, peoples! Don't you see you are manipulated and can't think clearly? I am really getting sick from such atrocious use of resources. Do you think you are better than Mr. Nauplius by destroying his tower?


Yes, yes we do. We are better than Nauplius because we understand the inherent value of human lives, regardless of their race. But based on your rabid frothing of hatred, I'm not sure you're capable of understanding that. I don't know if you've been that indoctrinated by the State, or if there is some horrible tragedy in your past that has left you horribly scarred. In either case, you have my pity.

Diana Kim wrote:
And to another weakling who would moan about "but slaves, but people lives". This is freaking WAR. People DIE here.

Are you captains of space ships or crybabies?!


There is a difference between the soldiers and crews that have answered the clarion call of the cause they believe in, and the slaves being consumed by the monster that is Nauplius. Once again, I'm not sure if you're even capable of understanding the difference.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#264 - 2015-01-19 20:06:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Diana Kim wrote:
It really surprises me that no one tried to make a trap on that tower to catch some pro-gallentean pilots, who would rush to save "poor slaves" with foam at their mouths. Gallentean abolitionists are like cattle, thinking by emotions instead of cold calculations and could easily be trapped and eliminated.
Didn't see you executing a camp on the tower eather sweetie, that makes you just as bad as the people your dissapointed in.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#265 - 2015-01-20 00:18:03 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
There was NO good use to be made out of that disgusting thing. It was used for nothing more than to destroy lives. Lives that we rescued. Because guess what, at each and every one of these towers, I've been there in a transport, recovering the Butcher's victims. I've brought those people under my care, and have treated them to medical aid, psychological care, reunion with their families, and transport to new lives.

And now you, the little genocidist **** who preaches the same monstrous beliefs as the Butcher, trying to talk about morals to those of us who actually put in effort to save instead of destroy. You're a disgrace to yourself and the Caldari State. How a juvenile delinquent like you got through the capsule program I will never understand.


Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them.

But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor.

1st Lt Kernher's temper is quite becoming of a True Amarrian. She has shown true restraint while others were bickering over who should destroy that damned aberration and why.
It is only after the work is complete, to not only remove the despicable structure, but also put herself and her crew in more danger to rescue those who were trapped. Only after that, when others dare to tread upon the efforts made by the righteous. Only then, does she bother to put those unrighteous fools in their place.
Would that all Amarrians show the same faith and action, God's universe would surely be united quite soon indeed.

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#266 - 2015-01-20 17:18:05 UTC
Jennifer Starfall wrote:

There is a difference between the soldiers and crews that have answered the clarion call of the cause they believe in, and the slaves being consumed by the monster that is Nauplius. Once again, I'm not sure if you're even capable of understanding the difference.

It looks to me that it is actually you who are unable to see such obvious difference, or you wouldn't spew crap like that. Let me clarify it to you if you still lack capacity to reason it yourself:

Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#267 - 2015-01-20 17:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Diana Kim wrote:
Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant.

Diana, you are a soldier. What are you fighting for, in the end? To establish that your culture is predominant. That your culture is the culture to be reckoned with. But who keeps it? Who develops it? Simple people, civilians who cannot protect themselves from usurpers and those who want to consume them (sometimes literally). Soldiers fight for their people, for their cultural heritage and if soldiers abandon those who need them, there would be nothing to fight for. Without their people, soldiers are just husks craving for blood.

Of course, slavers deserve to be wiped out, but that's a different question.
Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#268 - 2015-01-20 17:53:02 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
It looks to me that it is actually you who are unable to see such obvious difference, or you wouldn't spew crap like that. Let me clarify it to you if you still lack capacity to reason it yourself:

Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant.


You've forgotten what you're fighting for then. You're fighting for the sake of fighting, because that's all you know anymore.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#269 - 2015-01-22 19:18:05 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant.

Diana, you are a soldier. What are you fighting for, in the end? To establish that your culture is predominant. That your culture is the culture to be reckoned with. But who keeps it? Who develops it? Simple people, civilians who cannot protect themselves from usurpers and those who want to consume them (sometimes literally). Soldiers fight for their people, for their cultural heritage and if soldiers abandon those who need them, there would be nothing to fight for. Without their people, soldiers are just husks craving for blood.

All Caldari citizens are soldiers. Every and single one, even those who didn't choose military career - they all have 3 years obligatory service term.
Soldiers keep and establish our culture. Soldiers protect our culture. If there won't be soldiers, the State will collapse, it will be invaded by gallentean occupants without resistance, and all our culture will be destroyed, replacing it with chaos, indecent clothing and honorless behavior, slogans for "yey democracy", "yey freedom", "yey indivudialism", "yey hedonism" and "exterminate all Caldari".

We are Caldari. We preserve what can bring most profit to the society and sacrifice first what can bring less profit. If you are weak, if you don't have potential of becoming strong (like children, who are all should be considered as future soldiers of top grade), you must be sacrificed first.

Quote:

Of course, slavers deserve to be wiped out, but that's a different question.

Wasn't you watching too many gallentean reels lately?..
Disgusting.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#270 - 2015-01-23 12:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Diana Kim wrote:

All Caldari citizens are soldiers. Every and single one, even those who didn't choose military career - they all have 3 years obligatory service term.
Soldiers keep and establish our culture. Soldiers protect our culture. If there won't be soldiers, the State will collapse, it will be invaded by gallentean occupants without resistance, and all our culture will be destroyed, replacing it with chaos, indecent clothing and honorless behavior, slogans for "yey democracy", "yey freedom", "yey indivudialism", "yey hedonism" and "exterminate all Caldari".

We are Caldari. We preserve what can bring most profit to the society and sacrifice first what can bring less profit. If you are weak, if you don't have potential of becoming strong (like children, who are all should be considered as future soldiers of top grade), you must be sacrificed first.

Yes, professional soldiers. There are still quite a lot of people with other professions. And I must say, I agree with you almost everywhere. Except where you say that I must be sacrificed. Don't sacrifice me, I'm a relatively good guy. Oh and I think that soldiers do not establish culture, they merely police it because they can, they are the power with guns, after all.

My good Intaki friend Kalden once told me that every established culture must be preserved. Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, even Amarr, because cultures make us unique. It's a hard process and proxy wars don't help solving the problem.

Back to the point of our discussion. People in need must not be abandoned. If there is anything we can do to get them out of danger, we must do it. This is a matter of respect. Not thinking about baseliner casualties simply won't help us in any way.

Diana Kim wrote:

Jaret Victorian wrote:

Of course, slavers deserve to be wiped out, but that's a different question.

Wasn't you watching too many gallentean reels lately?..
Disgusting.

yey freedom
Why yes, I was watching some of them, they are a good entertainment and I don't have to kill anyone in the process. I imagine that both of us have something to dislike. You don't like gallenteans and I don't like slavery in any form.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#271 - 2015-01-24 12:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
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Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#272 - 2015-01-24 13:01:32 UTC
The only thing going well for you Ms. Kim is the fact you can put two words together to make a sentence. Though sometimes I worry you're on your way to losing that ability.

You have no grounds to insult someone such as Ms. Kernher. Please cease and desist.

-Eran
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#273 - 2015-01-24 13:06:48 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
The only thing going well for you Ms. Kim is the fact you can put two words together to make a sentence. Though sometimes I worry you're on your way to losing that ability.

You have no grounds to insult someone such as Ms. Kernher. Please cease and desist.

-Eran

Smart person would ask for a reason.
Stupid one would simply come to wrong conclusion.

You see, I have pretty much enough grounds for that, and claiming otherwise is simply showing ignorance.
Stop doing that.

And if you are interested in them - ask politely.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#274 - 2015-01-24 13:19:57 UTC
It's not my duty to ask you of your accusations. If they held a reason with any merit you would bring it up, surely. Or you would throw baseless insults at people because that's all that you're capable of, and all you have been capable of.

If you have something to say, then say it. You insult someone but give no reason why, and then expect people to give a damn about you enough to ask why you think such stupid things? I think we're all past that, Ms. Kim.

-Eran

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#275 - 2015-01-24 22:04:07 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
It's not my duty to ask you of your accusations. If they held a reason with any merit you would bring it up, surely. Or you would throw baseless insults at people because that's all that you're capable of, and all you have been capable of.

If you have something to say, then say it. You insult someone but give no reason why, and then expect people to give a damn about you enough to ask why you think such stupid things? I think we're all past that, Ms. Kim.

-Eran


I am pretty much capable to what you would never dream of, minmatar.
I have already said that I have grounds to say what I have said, and yet you contradict me?
They pretty much have merit and sense, and what is more important, YOU could have find them yourself, if you were able at least browsing last topics on GalNet or use search button.

If you can't do this, of course, I can tell you them.
But lets do it not just simple, but with useful work.

You see, Mr. Nauplius was telling that Minmatars are basically useless, and I was telling him othewise, that Minmatars can be taught to behave like civilized humans. As it seems you are a minmatar, you can become an object of a simple experiment. I will try to teach you proper behaviour and conversation skill, and a stimulation for this will be the information that you were asking about. You will receive it as a reward, if you will prove that I am right and Mr. Nauplius is wrong by following my next instructions.

Now, listen very carefully and simple repeat what I will say, word to word: "Commander Kim, please excuse me for my indecent behavior in this media. Could you please forgive me and tell me, why have you changed your mind about Lt. Kehrner?"

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#276 - 2015-01-24 22:30:54 UTC
Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill?

-Eran
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#277 - 2015-01-24 22:37:19 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill?

-Eran

0:1 to Mr. Nauplius favor, I guess...

Pity.

If I couldn't make you civilized by teaching, maybe he will with his surgery or whatever. But I will try to find a civilized and smart minmatar regardless!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#278 - 2015-01-26 21:34:05 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill?

-Eran

0:1 to Mr. Nauplius favor, I guess...

Pity.

If I couldn't make you civilized by teaching, maybe he will with his surgery or whatever. But I will try to find a civilized and smart minmatar regardless!

There are plenty of us. You just have a talent for bringing out the worst in people.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#279 - 2015-01-26 21:44:40 UTC
What he said....
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#280 - 2015-01-27 03:57:32 UTC
I am feeling the urge to shoot you

with lots and lots of ships

The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be