EVE General Discussion

clearly not you :D

Exactly my point, so it wasn't useless

But if I am the only tool in the shed no one can claim I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed

I think you'll find that for most weapons, the main drawback is on cap use.

An increase in raw damage has no affect on cap use.

A decrease in cycle time increases cap use.

does this just apply to Hybrid and projectile ?

Or does it work for pew-pew too? As it could be more relevant with no reload time.

Tho of course I take the point about higher cap. . . .

Aye, that's another reason why, in fits where you get only one dmg rig, it's advisable to go for the dmg one (instead of the rof one), even though the rof gives a slightly higher dps figure.

The other reason is alpha, which is always nice. Also, at equal theoretical dps, higher alpha (and lower rof) actually means higher dps for shorter engagements, since the damage is applied at the start of the cycle.

I do missiles. Actually, I mission with a T2 cruise missile set up w/drones. I can hit at 135k on average, and with drone mods I can get my drones out that far, too. I'll say RoF has a lot to do with using missiles. However, and this may just be me, with the skills I have pushing my RoF very near the max (without implants but with a rig) the increase in damage is significant when taking an entire mission over time, not necessarily significant with one target. (I guess you could save five or ten minutes if still-firing on a POS with one ship - so what's that 50 minutes instead of an hour?)

What I've found affects damage more has to do with the explosion radius and the explosion speed. There's also a skill that makes the speed of your target less of a factor in avoiding damage - this seems like a rather elusive value to try to put into a formula as it would have to take into account inconsistent target velocities and trajectories (stops and gos, sudden turns). We're not shooting at inanimate objects. They're moving targets. The success of damage also, to state the obvious, varies with the size of the target - frig to BS.

Instead of visualizing a missile hit similarly to a bullet hit, it may help to visualize that you're setting off explosions with proximity fuses and your target is driving into the explosions, thus getting damaged. Projectile weapons, of course, fire elements that strike a target, and a certain amount of accuracy is required for a hit. Turret speed therefore becomes an issue. Missiles, as I said, create an explosion of a certain radius and force. The more in the center of the explosion is the target, the more damage. The further toward the outer radius of the detonation, the less damage.

Rate of fire only affects how tight your string of explosions can be would be one way of looking at it. You're not (necessarily) striking the target directly with your missiles. And, the target isn't necessarily cooperating by flying center to center on your explosion radii. Therefore, you can only come up with estimates of damage given the values of a set of variables, that yes RoF is among, but isn't actually as significant with missiles as it may be with projectile ammo.

TYVM. Have a nice day.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Always do the math. Never just accept a damage increase over other attributes. Things may not be what they seem. For instance rockets, one of my favorites. Each rocket does less damage than a light missile, but you can pour rockets out faster than light missiles, so - if range isn't an issue - loading up on rocket launchers might well give you more damage than light missiles. I just converted a missile frig to a rocket frig because of that. It gets in close, and it lets fly and it's all kind of neat to do.

DON'T FORGET TO FACTOR IN Rate of Fire.

Higher Alpha has advantages but potentially you could waste DPS on target overkill compared to a higher ROF.

As far as "wrecking shots" I would have thought intuitively that over a period of time more but smaller wrecking shots would average out to about the same buff to DPS.

Once we start talking about things like explosion velocity or optimal range, we are getting into discussing damage application vs dps bonuses. Also, missile application and turret application are very different things.

With missiles, range and transversal are irrelevant so long as the target is within maximum range. They are only effected by velocity and signature radius. With turrets, range and transversal are vitally important as both can effect the quality of hits.

In some cases, it may be that fitting an application rig will help apply more dps than any damage or RoF rig. This is especially true with large missiles. But I think we are diverging a bit from the main topic.