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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3141 - 2015-01-15 19:42:50 UTC
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Are all the people who have been cheering for the ban happy now? Has this improved the quality of your gaming time? Are you going to go back to CCP to call for more nerfs?

What's the next step in the anti-isboxer campaign? Roll

It's constantly peitioning everyone.

No need for more "nerfs" just more bans.

And maybe Updates regarding

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3142 - 2015-01-15 20:26:40 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Are all the people who have been cheering for the ban happy now? Has this improved the quality of your gaming time? Are you going to go back to CCP to call for more nerfs?

What's the next step in the anti-isboxer campaign? Roll

It's constantly peitioning everyone.
No need for more "nerfs" just more bans.
And maybe Updates regarding

Except that the ISBoxers out there are following the EULA, so your petitions mean nothing.
And after we ban ISBoxer, shall we ban EFT, EVEMon, Fuzzworks, etc? When do we get limited to a single client for 1 hour a day because someone "might" be better?
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#3143 - 2015-01-15 20:26:54 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

It's constantly peitioning everyone.

No need for more "nerfs" just more bans.

And maybe Updates regarding



What?

Who's constantly petitioning everyone? Is CCP petitioning everyone? Are we petitioning CCP? Is ISBoxer filing petitions by broadcasting to everyones accounts?

More bans of what? More ISBoxer features? ISBoxer itself? Anyone running more than one account simultaneously?

Updates regarding what? The price of PLEX? Gas Prices? The weather?

Could you possibly try to be just a little more vague in your statements?
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#3144 - 2015-01-15 20:52:56 UTC
I wouldn't worry about CCP banning isboxer. This game is alive because multiboxing EVE is exponentially beneficial to the players so we pay for it. I had 4 accounts before getting ISBoxer. Do you think CCP wants me to unsub those extra accounts? I doubt it. They knew there would be some attrition but ultimately that was a small percentage of ISBoxers and if anything the attention all of this has received may have made more people interested in doing it.

CCP is trying to stop the pleb tears while giving us enough room to still effectively use all our accounts so they still get paid. Not thrilled with the decision, but I'm pretty confident that they will never take the stance of banning multiboxing software for the above reason.
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#3145 - 2015-01-16 12:08:34 UTC
At least one of the multiboxers/ ISBoxer users I have been 'monitoring' has not logged on since the ruling was implemented and they had about sixteen accounts. Bloody good news for everyone I say especially for small mining operations. I'm not a miner personally but I say good luck to the small operators in New Eden. Big smile
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3146 - 2015-01-16 12:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
At least one of the multiboxers/ ISBoxer users I have been 'monitoring' has not logged on since the ruling was implemented and they had about sixteen accounts.

Op success.

Great success, even. This was a triumph, making a post here, op success

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KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#3147 - 2015-01-16 17:37:51 UTC  |  Edited by: KC Kamikaze
The fact that pepole take the time to track isboxers in game for no better reason than to monitor their login activities is entertaining. If you are going to spend that kind of effort on it get a fleet together to gank them.

How many people have me on their watch list now as a suspected isboxer? It's always interesting to find out what kind of intel people think they have on you.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3148 - 2015-01-17 07:16:57 UTC
KC Kamikaze wrote:
The fact that pepole take the time to track isboxers in game for no better reason than to monitor their login activities is entertaining. If you are going to spend that kind of effort on it get a fleet together to gank them.

But that won't have the same effect as what would happen if they were caught using banned features of isboxer and then got banned

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3149 - 2015-01-17 07:25:44 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
KC Kamikaze wrote:
The fact that pepole take the time to track isboxers in game for no better reason than to monitor their login activities is entertaining. If you are going to spend that kind of effort on it get a fleet together to gank them.

But that won't have the same effect as what would happen if they were caught using banned features of isboxer and then got banned

Assuming the boxer would have turned off the features that would have gotten him banned, ganking is the next best thing to disrupting their operations. If you have a problem with someone in a belt, the correct solution is not to sit there wringing your hands, blubbering about "what am I gonna do?". You grab a catalyst, tap a few buddies, and do some damage. This is EVE, a game of actions and consequences, and of building something out of nothing, from the ground up. I can assure you Goonswarm did not become a major null bloc by asking nicely if BoB can please go away, or if the Russians can pretty please not use Tengu fleets.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3150 - 2015-01-17 15:14:05 UTC
It doesn't matter at this point you're talking about people's fantasies.

For example, moa was pretty sure they could get the people camping their home banned for isboxer. Though we didn't even have anyone who used it in any way in the first place down there...

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3151 - 2015-01-17 15:35:12 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
It doesn't matter at this point you're talking about people's fantasies.
For example, moa was pretty sure they could get the people camping their home banned for isboxer. Though we didn't even have anyone who used it in any way in the first place down there...

And I'm pretty sure the Tooth Fairy exists. Don't make it true, especially if it's Shadowandlight we're talking about as he's shown us a proven way to run bomber wings w/o broadcasting. I would love to see an entire alliance receive a reprimand for false reporting, and I'd love to see the instigator receive a ban for encouraging false reporting. Hopefully it'd cut down on the crazies in local.
Sgt Bamcis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3152 - 2015-01-17 15:56:29 UTC
Reading is hard and the butthurt floweth.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3153 - 2015-01-17 17:41:35 UTC
A hilarious thread as always

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Steppin Rayzer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3154 - 2015-01-18 05:42:46 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
I currently have two main ISBoxer/bot mining fleets I am trying to move on from a system. One comprises two corps with three members & and about a dozen respectively. The other one is a hardcore ISBoxer with eighteen accounts in NPC corps that all log on like a machine gun within milliseconds of each other.

They will both be getting a nasty shock come the new year. I can't wait........... Twisted


Do you even read, bro?

Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:

• EVE Online client settings
• Window positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating system’s desktop environment)
• The login process
Steppin Rayzer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3155 - 2015-01-18 05:48:48 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Wait - hold on, just thought of something -


G15 and related keyboards are now banned??? They allow one keyboard click to do F1-F8 simultaneously

Although grouping guns in game does the same thing - except smartbombs




Quote:
Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game.




Yeah, so that means my Core OS - OSX and my keyboard are both not allowed

Kinda sucks, not going to buy windows to run the stinking game

I sure as hell won't buy a new keyboard


so stupid, if you want to ban isboxer fine, but leave the mac guys out of it


But they don't want to ban ISBoxer. They want to ban BROADCASTING THE SAME COMMANDS TO MULTIPLE CLIENTS AT THE SAME TIME. You can't figure out how NOT to do that on a Mac?
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3156 - 2015-01-18 18:14:19 UTC
Steppin Rayzer wrote:
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
I currently have two main ISBoxer/bot mining fleets I am trying to move on from a system. One comprises two corps with three members & and about a dozen respectively. The other one is a hardcore ISBoxer with eighteen accounts in NPC corps that all log on like a machine gun within milliseconds of each other.

They will both be getting a nasty shock come the new year. I can't wait........... Twisted


Do you even read, bro?

Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:

• EVE Online client settings
• Window positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating system’s desktop environment)
• The login process

Yeah! You tell them!

Login all your afk cloakers at once, but you must press the button to cloak individually!!

Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3157 - 2015-01-19 16:20:37 UTC
Alavaria wrote:
Yeah! You tell them!
Login all your afk cloakers at once, but you must press the button to cloak individually!!

I would be extremely surprised if someone used ISBoxer to AFK cloak anything over than 2 pilots.
Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
#3158 - 2015-01-19 16:35:25 UTC
KC Kamikaze wrote:
ISBoxers most gameplay affecting feature is and has always been VideoFX not broadcasting.


If this would be the case the plex price wouldn't have dropped from 1 billion to 800 million after the announcement of the multicast ban and stay on this level since the change.

Why cancel subscription on plexed accounts if the main feature of something is not touched by a change?
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3159 - 2015-01-19 17:15:23 UTC
Dustpuppy wrote:
KC Kamikaze wrote:
ISBoxers most gameplay affecting feature is and has always been VideoFX not broadcasting.


If this would be the case the plex price wouldn't have dropped from 1 billion to 800 million after the announcement of the multicast ban and stay on this level since the change.
Why cancel subscription on plexed accounts if the main feature of something is not touched by a change?


Correlation =/= Causation. When it hit 1b, people expected CCP to intervene, so they sold their stocks at 1b and it settled down to 800m. If indeed ISBoxer was the main cause of the high prices and not market traders and hoarders and simple supply/demand, we should have seen PLEX drop to 500m or so. Additionally, I've only seen two multiboxers including myself who stopped out of a group of 13 or so. Now I know we aren't everyone, but still.
Salem Aivo
#3160 - 2015-01-19 18:01:26 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Dustpuppy wrote:
KC Kamikaze wrote:
ISBoxers most gameplay affecting feature is and has always been VideoFX not broadcasting.


If this would be the case the plex price wouldn't have dropped from 1 billion to 800 million after the announcement of the multicast ban and stay on this level since the change.
Why cancel subscription on plexed accounts if the main feature of something is not touched by a change?


Correlation =/= Causation. When it hit 1b, people expected CCP to intervene, so they sold their stocks at 1b and it settled down to 800m. If indeed ISBoxer was the main cause of the high prices and not market traders and hoarders and simple supply/demand, we should have seen PLEX drop to 500m or so. Additionally, I've only seen two multiboxers including myself who stopped out of a group of 13 or so. Now I know we aren't everyone, but still.
This.

The Plex price change was speculation, nothing more. The ~1b peak price was also inflated from the normal price, so realistically the actual price dropped from about 880m to 800m and is now back on the rise.