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We design video games, but html is a mystery to us....
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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#21 - 2011-12-19 18:22:58 UTC
Gogela wrote:
[quote=Morganta]

Well, I am guessing here but they are using transitional markup too, which is a bit more flexible/fault tolerant.


it is when you define it correctly
as it is they define transitional and link to the strict DTD
right click and look at the page source
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#22 - 2011-12-19 18:26:22 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Gogela wrote:


Well, I am guessing here but they are using transitional markup too, which is a bit more flexible/fault tolerant.


it is when you define it correctly
as it is they define transitional and link to the strict DTD
right click and look at the page source

Ah... right you are. Yah... OK that makes no sense to me. That is just weird.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#23 - 2011-12-19 18:27:24 UTC
Gogela wrote:
You guys should actually design a website based on your OWN CMS system. This ain't WordPress, jackoffs. The type of security / authentication interfacing w/ the API they have goin' on here is pretty impressive. The site looks great. If you think all you need to know is HTML to pull this off you've gone full-******.

One should never go full-******.

People use pre-packaged CMS systems like PHP-BB and WordPress or the killboards and they think they know thing one about designing a site. That smack is funny to me.
What's funny to me is your assumption that none of us have developed web software from scratch. I, for one, have.

As for their 'amazin security' (which they had to recall the forum for months to fix), that (if their code is even remotely competent) is just a module that plugs into the forum, and thus has no bearing on the quality (or lack thereof) of the forum itself.

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Sellendis
The Ares project
#24 - 2011-12-19 18:28:24 UTC
The forum they were so proud off....72.000 man hours of work....in the end its an modified open-source that got delayed for 6 months for a security hole the size of Saturn`s ring.
Not to mention "we gots ganked" almost constantly when browsing, and even worse when you try to post...gank..well goddammit..lets type again...o crap, timed-out text lost again.

Work of art, really. We had a fully functioning forum, then we got a new one that looks better/worse (depending on people) and has a ton of issues. Progress CCP style :)
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#25 - 2011-12-19 18:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Gogela wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Gogela wrote:


Well, I am guessing here but they are using transitional markup too, which is a bit more flexible/fault tolerant.


it is when you define it correctly
as it is they define transitional and link to the strict DTD
right click and look at the page source

Ah... right you are. Yah... OK that makes no sense to me. That is just weird.


w3c validator saved my life
its now one of my primary tools when designing

the validator alone indirectly fixes a solid 3/4s of my cross-browser compatibility issues in addition to my rampant typos.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#26 - 2011-12-19 18:32:40 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Gogela wrote:


Well, I am guessing here but they are using transitional markup too, which is a bit more flexible/fault tolerant.


it is when you define it correctly
as it is they define transitional and link to the strict DTD
right click and look at the page source

Ah... right you are. Yah... OK that makes no sense to me. That is just weird.


w3c validator saved my life
its now one of my primary tools when designing


True dat.

Combined with chrome's developer tools, it's hard these days to gimp HTML/CSS/JS code unless you are being lazy.

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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#27 - 2011-12-19 18:48:17 UTC
The, uh, lack of perfection we see with these forums starts to make a whole lot more sense when you consider that the whole thing was built to be fully compatible with use on a PS3.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#28 - 2011-12-19 18:50:53 UTC
Funny this thread, looks like someone noticed that the websites of Eve Online are a roadkill accident, all in pieces: Evelopedia, Forums, Homepage and Account Management. And of course: Relaunching one of these will always result in proven features removed.

HTTPS ftw!

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
SpaceSquirrels
#29 - 2011-12-19 19:30:48 UTC
Too be fair CSS is a pain in the ass... Seriously need to come up with something better. Look at the iterations of CSS v. HTML and other web code. I mean come on! I suppose all interface designing stuff is stupid, but really CSS is not intuitive in the least.

I wonder if this is because programs don't care about such things... "Stupid users! What do you mean you want a button? Just type in the friggin command!"
K Suri
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-12-19 20:11:40 UTC
stop whining about the freaking forums already!

i sit on here for hours a day and get very few failures and when i do i just keep moving on. ctrl c ctrl v as habit (been doing that since year dot) and a modicum of patience goes a long way.

if your life is so much the poorer simply because of a buggy forum then you lead a charmed life indeed.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#31 - 2011-12-19 20:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Too be fair CSS is a pain in the ass... Seriously need to come up with something better. Look at the iterations of CSS v. HTML and other web code. I mean come on! I suppose all interface designing stuff is stupid, but really CSS is not intuitive in the least.

I wonder if this is because programs don't care about such things... "Stupid users! What do you mean you want a button? Just type in the friggin command!"


I can't agree

while CSS has some cross-browser quirks to deal with, it has really made coding so much less of a chore, at least for me

nothing like digging through 800 lines of PHP full of old fashioned style declarations in the tags.
have a style for an element that appears on 10 different pages?, you make one class on one style sheet to control it all.

but the biggest reason is machine readability, you have done the wonderful thing of not bogging down a spider or assisted living device with formatting commands that are useless to that service.
something describing a page to a blind person is not going to sit there telling them that the first paragraph is verdana with a point size of 15px. so why make that service parse it out?

its basically
class or id name {
do stuff;
do more stuff;
do this too;
}

and that's all she wrote

I love it!
Little Delicious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-12-19 20:20:21 UTC
Ya dude, like web development is totally about the htmls. They need to learn how to set up their TR and TD tags right for them thar tables to work :B
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#33 - 2011-12-19 20:20:40 UTC
K Suri wrote:
if your life is so much the poorer simply because of a buggy forum then you lead a charmed life indeed.
Indeed I do, so they best fix them. And it's missing features as well as buggy, for the record.


Re: CSS, CSS is god-tier, anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know how to use it.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#34 - 2011-12-19 20:26:11 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:


Re: CSS, CSS is god-tier, anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know how to use it.


Not empty quotin'


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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#35 - 2011-12-19 20:31:08 UTC
I like how threads don't update properly when people actually make posts.

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K Suri
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-12-19 20:35:55 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
K Suri wrote:
if your life is so much the poorer simply because of a buggy forum then you lead a charmed life indeed.
Indeed I do, so they best fix them. And it's missing features as well as buggy, for the record.

Re: CSS, CSS is god-tier, anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know how to use it.

"Missing features" is subjective. I'd hate to think half of the forum bitching is because of the feature list or lack thereof. They just aren't the same thing. Sometimes vanilla is just so much better.

And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days. Repeatedly fighting cross-CSS/browser issues as far back as Netscape days made me change career paths.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#37 - 2011-12-19 20:40:04 UTC
K Suri wrote:
"Missing features" is subjective.
Not really. Compare this to any standard forum software. Look at what this one doesn't have. There you go.

I mean, ffs, it doesn't even support images. The forum doesn't even have to do anything to support images. Yet somehow it doesn't.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#38 - 2011-12-19 20:40:34 UTC
K Suri wrote:


And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days.


Just go ahead and say it: Microsoft.


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Mirima Thurander
#39 - 2011-12-19 20:44:10 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
it is scary to imagine that the people who created the forums share a building with the guys in charge of multithreading python in a bleeding edge supercomputer




guy that coded forums - oops i spilled my beer on this sever stack here and it fried everything what kinda information did it hold?

Smart CCP dev - o just all the information related to all accounts over 6 years old.

guy that coded forums - so all the bitter vet toons are gone?

Smart CCP Dev - yea we keep there here to make sure nothing happened to them

guy that coded forums - o well just give them all a free monical and 20000 Aurm and tell them to HTFU

Smart CCP Dev - *feet kicking wildly as he hangs him self with a bundle of fiber-optic wires

Guy that coded forums - looks like i'm in charge now!


"" image of cCCP HQ in ruin with the smoking wreckage of there home town in ruins but enraged bitter-vets**

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#40 - 2011-12-19 20:49:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Doc Fury wrote:
K Suri wrote:


And yep. CSS is spec - now. Pity some of the major browser people didn't spot the efficacy of a CSS standards in the early days.


Just go ahead and say it: Microsoft.




though it pains me to say it, I'm actually having more troubles with firefox being too liberal in it's interpretations of gimpy code, like improperly nested tags and incorrect positioning of elements
explorer actually shows you that you screwed up, firefox tends to hide it now so you think everything is A-OK, that is until you validate or run it in explorer.


I consider all browsers to be the devil
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