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New characters now have 3 remaps by default ?

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malaire
#1 - 2011-12-19 16:54:00 UTC
After todays update my newest character (which I created few days ago) now shows that he has normal remap available + 2 bonus remaps.

Yesterday he only had 2 remaps available, but now he is able to do 3 remaps before needing to wait.

Was this intended or just a bug? Will all new characters have 3 remaps from now on?

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#2 - 2011-12-19 17:07:16 UTC
Quite interesting, as it tells me I have "remap available: now" and bonus remaps: 2

And I know from before I also had two.

/c

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#3 - 2011-12-19 17:10:45 UTC
That's a side-effect of the awesomeness of FIXING the way the neural remap Christmas present is supposed to work.

NORMAL remaps are now COMPLETELY SEPARATE from bonus remaps.
You can use as many normal remaps as you like (as long as 1 year passes in between them) without "eating up" any bonus remaps at all.

You only eat up one bonus remap when remapping when the 1-year timer is still not done AND it does not reset the timer to 1 year, but keep going from wherever it was already.

...

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#4 - 2011-12-19 17:12:46 UTC
Does that mean I should lower my Charisma?

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Schonm
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-12-19 17:13:41 UTC
This is awesome, I used to compulsively save remaps, so my counter never went below 1... so the timer never started. I am actually happy :D yay
Joost Merc
Sapphire Roughneck's Industry
#6 - 2011-12-19 17:14:43 UTC
just need to fix it so you dont have to add them 2 points to charisma and its sorted
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#7 - 2011-12-19 17:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Chribba wrote:
Does that mean I should lower my Charisma?

If you want :)

Oh, and I have 3 bonus remaps. Come Christmas, I'll have 4.
I still probably won't use any of them (neither the regular remap) because I still like my Charisma:3(+12) stat.
(which I'd have to give up if I remap at all)

Joost Merc wrote:
just need to fix it so you dont have to add them 2 points to charisma and its sorted

Heh, you ninja'd me.

Unlikely for that to ever be "fixed" though.
Having 3 charisma is a "FAIR advantage", in that you get to keep it only as long as you don't use the advantage of remaps.
Getting to keep it at 3 while remapping would turn that into an unfair advantage for everybody else.

UNLESS you're suggesting the new bottom value of any attribute should be set to 3(+12) instead of the current 5(+12), which would free up 6 additional points for minmaxers (even if you could only use them in the secondary attribute), in which case... tally ho !

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malaire
#8 - 2011-12-19 17:20:23 UTC
Akita T wrote:
That's a side-effect of the awesomeness of FIXING the way the neural remap Christmas present is supposed to work.

NORMAL remaps are now COMPLETELY SEPARATE from bonus remaps.
You can use as many normal remaps as you like (as long as 1 year passes in between them) without "eating up" any bonus remaps at all.

You only eat up one bonus remap when remapping when the 1-year timer is still not done AND it does not reset the timer to 1 year, but keep going from wherever it was already.

...

TL;DR - you have no idea how awesome it is.

Still, I expected to have normal remap + 1 bonus remap after change, not normal remap + 2 bonus remaps.

I'm not complaining, it's allways nice to get free remaps, but I think I'll wait some time before using any remaps just to make sure this is not a bug which gets fixed later (by removing 1 bonus remap).

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#9 - 2011-12-19 17:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Nope, nope, that's how they intend to have it work from now on, so you should get to keep all the currently displayed BONUS remaps.
The system has been already finalized, bonus remaps are separated from normal remaps.

Oh, and if you haven't already, go select the "+1 (bonus) neural remap" option in the Christmas gift section ;)
Neural Surgery it was called, IIRC.

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CCP Pleognost
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2011-12-19 17:29:33 UTC
malaire wrote:
After todays update my newest character (which I created few days ago) now shows that he has normal remap available + 2 bonus remaps.

Yesterday he only had 2 remaps available, but now he is able to do 3 remaps before needing to wait.

Was this intended or just a bug? Will all new characters have 3 remaps from now on?


This is an intended side-effect of fixing how the remap system works. I noted this briefly here, but that's buried deep in another thread. Smile

In brief, yes, new characters get two bonus remaps, as usual. However, due to the separation of timed remaps from bonus remaps, new characters (and characters who have never remapped) can effectively remap three times within the space of a year - once timed, and then twice with bonus remaps.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-12-19 17:44:47 UTC
Well at least they haven't made it as bizarre and unenviable as the overview setup window.
But still... wtf man... it's 2011. Sort yourselves out.

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Sentient Blade
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Coalition of the Unfortunate
#12 - 2011-12-19 17:45:19 UTC
That's good. Should help new players who have no idea what the heck they want to do for the first 6 months.
PhoenixShadow
Dutch Legions
Solyaris Chtonium
#13 - 2011-12-19 18:14:26 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Does that mean I should lower my Charisma?


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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2011-12-19 19:27:31 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Does that mean I should lower my Charisma?


Why do you want to take the Sexy out of the Sexy Shoeless God of Veld?

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Aristeia Cersei
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-12-19 19:39:24 UTC
CCP Pleognost wrote:
malaire wrote:
After todays update my newest character (which I created few days ago) now shows that he has normal remap available + 2 bonus remaps.

Yesterday he only had 2 remaps available, but now he is able to do 3 remaps before needing to wait.

Was this intended or just a bug? Will all new characters have 3 remaps from now on?


This is an intended side-effect of fixing how the remap system works. I noted this briefly here, but that's buried deep in another thread. Smile

In brief, yes, new characters get two bonus remaps, as usual. However, due to the separation of timed remaps from bonus remaps, new characters (and characters who have never remapped) can effectively remap three times within the space of a year - once timed, and then twice with bonus remaps.


I have a new char in the cooker that I started 2 days ago. I show only 2 remaps as I haven't used one yet. Are you saying I can remap right now and still have the 2 bonus remaps neither of which will be used?
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#16 - 2011-12-19 19:57:55 UTC
Why not just remove attributes and be done with it? Perpetuum did.

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Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-19 19:58:39 UTC
Who cares?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#18 - 2011-12-19 19:59:55 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Why not just remove attributes and be done with it? Perpetuum did.


Why not run an MMO without a playerbase? Perpetuum did.

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Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
#19 - 2011-12-19 22:38:29 UTC

Not just new Chars or Chars who have never remapped.

All Characters that have a timed remap availlable now will get an extra bonus remap.

2 of my alt characters now have 2 remaps availlable, 1 timed amd 1 bonus...

So just like last year some WIN an extra free bonus remap while others Don't.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#20 - 2011-12-19 22:42:16 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Why not just remove attributes and be done with it? Perpetuum did.

When exactly did that happen ?
They started with a similar system as EVE but in reverse - as in, you get the SP-equivalent constantly per account and spend them whenever to instantly bump a level of something. But the costs for level-up depended on some stuff. And that stuff would be the equivalent of attributes.
Are you telling me now all level-ups cost the same in Perpetuum ?
Not that it's that much of a concern of mine, just idle curiosity.

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