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Is corp hoping to surprise a war target allowed?

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2015-01-16 10:08:23 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Rawketsled wrote:
I too like to use the Caps Lock key.


Eh, he ain't wrong though. Session change is key.

True but still,

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As far as I'm aware it is considered sketchy if one or both of ye might be taking advantage of the overview bug.

Whenever a war goes live while we are online most of us will relog to be absolutely safe and we tend to time them so they go live around downtime so as to prevent this thing happeng accidentally.

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ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#22 - 2015-01-16 10:55:24 UTC
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Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-01-16 14:20:37 UTC
You have several different answers from us forum warriors. Go petition CCP they are the only ones who will give you the right answer.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#24 - 2015-01-19 05:51:55 UTC
Why was someone flying a retriever during an active war?

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#25 - 2015-01-19 08:23:52 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Why was someone flying a retriever during an active war?

Because they were watching local and deep scan? And therefore if not for the exploit would have been safe?
Just a thought of course.
Jaantrag
#26 - 2015-01-19 09:11:28 UTC
A. Ticket

B. Session change might work for the one jumping corps, but not always the change show up on the other players overview or local list. plenty of times ive seen players i have set in my contacts list coming to system showing as neutrals, untill i go thro a session change myself, or do something else to make the standings f5 themself.

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-01-19 09:13:40 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Support ticket.



Like nuking stuff from orbit, its the only way to be sure.


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Shailagh
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#28 - 2015-01-19 14:48:38 UTC
Jaantrag wrote:
A. Ticket

B. Session change might work for the one jumping corps, but not always the change show up on the other players overview or local list. plenty of times ive seen players i have set in my contacts list coming to system showing as neutrals, untill i go thro a session change myself, or do something else to make the standings f5 themself.



How am i supposed to make YOU perfom a session change while your mining? LolWut?
If the agressor performs a session change== legal.

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#29 - 2015-01-19 14:58:25 UTC
You need to look at it this way. If they are corp hoping they are defeated. Their organization is so terrible that they are willing to abandon it and form a new one to avoid a war with you. Time to move on.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#30 - 2015-01-19 15:07:16 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
You need to look at it this way. If they are corp hoping they are defeated. Their organization is so terrible that they are willing to abandon it and form a new one to avoid a war with you. Time to move on.


1. They should pay the 50mill min dec fee back to agressors then.


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Agent Unknown
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-01-19 15:09:05 UTC
I've seen the local list do some funny things. More than once I've seen blues be reported in an intel channel because local showed them as neutral but when you "Show Info" them, they're blue.

I've encountered this myself as well and session changes (like docking) didn't clear it. There were 5 "neutrals" in the same system I was in, but 4 of them were actually blue to me (one of them an alliance mate, even!). Only one was neutral. Since then, I've grown to not trust the local list and usually "show info" people I don't recognize if they appear neutral.

So, it's really quite possible that they didn't show up as a war target even after a session change.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#32 - 2015-01-19 16:04:37 UTC
I love my alliance. We don't care about war declarations. Either people know how to get in and out for their shopping or we shake our heads with a warm smile and tell the silly thing how to do it better next time.

I am so glad to not have to worry about them any longer.

That said though, if you have a network of scouts to keep your carebear safe and some guy hops in from a NPC corp within that net, it is really under handed. The defenders have done their best but some cheating leaves no response time.

To the OP - maybe it is time to get a POS, stick your miners in a worm hole for a bit (make sure you have Deep Space transports or geared up ore haulers) and don't let them out until the war is over?

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Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-01-20 03:57:34 UTC
Lord Parallax wrote:
Ok. So if it requires a session change. How is it that he did not show up as a valid war target for almost half an hour after he changed corps and made the kill? I did not see him on my local list as 1 until he left system and came back.


It is your client.

Same thing happens when a war ends. You targets still appear as targets even though you cannot shoot at them. The minute log off and log on cache resets and they will not appear as targets anymore.

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ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#34 - 2015-01-20 08:08:58 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#35 - 2015-01-20 14:46:46 UTC
Lord Parallax wrote:
So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets.
Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss.

I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp.

I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all.

Is this legal?


It's a ****** mechanic that is allowed so long as they are docked when they join the corp. Otherwise it's an exploit.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#36 - 2015-01-20 15:36:19 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
LOCAL WAS BUGGED N THEY WERENT RED I SWEAR!

No matter how much you try to ridicule it, that is exactly what (can) happen and I'm sure certain people exploit it because of this very reason. I've witnessed it myself some time ago and couldn't believe it at first. Fortunately the wardeccers were pretty fail (probably why they had to resort to such "tactics") and the target was heavily tanked which gave me enough time to get a PVP ship, kill the tackle and warp out the target.

I'm a little surprised that it still hasn't been fixed yet.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#37 - 2015-01-20 16:01:37 UTC
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Is corp hoping to surprise a war target allowed?


Sure is.

Why, just yesterday I was hoping to surprise a war target. But he saw me hiding behind the asteroid.

Maybe next time.

Mr Epeen Cool
ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#38 - 2015-01-20 19:44:51 UTC
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Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-01-20 21:39:54 UTC
The entire war dec system needs to be completely overhauled.
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#40 - 2015-01-20 21:43:17 UTC
This is a grey area, and is definitely not the most honorable for of pvp.

But in this case it seems they are using it in conjunction with the recent very prominent issues with local not working correctly, to the point where some people aren't even seeing pilots they have flagged and are in station with. Not sure why the local issues have gotten worse lately but def not cool for people to be taking advantage of.

You really can't fault the 'carebears' mining during a war as long as they had scouts and were watching local. I lost a mining fleet to this years ago when guys were jumping between war corps 3-4 times a day (they would jump in, make the kill, and jump out of corp soon as they hit station again.
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