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Lowsec Incursions

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Jayne Fillon
#1 - 2015-01-16 13:37:33 UTC
I'll keep this brief -

For those who don't know me, I'm the founder of Spectre Fleet - Eve's largest NPSI PvP Community.

Long story short, we're looking to form a public group (akin to the current HS incursion communities) that is capable of running the lowsec versions of these sites. The goal of this group is to take advantage of the bonus payouts from lowsec incursions, and beat the average income of a highsec incursion group without using multi-billion ISK pirate faction battleships.

We're going to be attempting a few fleets as a "Proof of Concept" and are looking for people who would be interested in making this a reality. We know running these sites is possible with a public group - we've already done so multiple times, in both low and null. However, now that we know we it can be done, we want to know if it can be done better than in highsec.

If you're interested in helping out, or simply brainstorming ideas, either send me a mail in game of reply to this post here.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-01-17 07:32:30 UTC
Jayne Fillon wrote:
I'll keep this brief -

For those who don't know me, I'm the founder of Spectre Fleet - Eve's largest NPSI PvP Community.

NPSI ?

Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ?



DMC
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-01-17 08:06:35 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Jayne Fillon wrote:
I'll keep this brief -

For those who don't know me, I'm the founder of Spectre Fleet - Eve's largest NPSI PvP Community.

NPSI ?

Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ?



DMC

For once i remembered a community spotlight where i saw the NPSI explained, if not in fleet shoot it:).
Source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-spectre-fleets/
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#4 - 2015-01-17 08:07:33 UTC
Is 15(vanguard) on grid allowed in bluesec only or it is for low sec too

vg only or all sites?

If BS hulls are used what you think will work?

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Jayne Fillon
#5 - 2015-01-17 09:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayne Fillon
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
NPSI ?

Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ?
Not Quite.

NPSI is Not Purple Shoot it - which essentially means public fleets, or more specifically people working together using the fleet mechanics even if they don't share a common corporation and alliance.

Quote:
Is 15(vanguard) on grid allowed in bluesec only or it is for low sec too

vg only or all sites?
Vanguard sites are likely the ones that we would attempt first, as they are unique in that you can have more people in fleet and still receive the same payout. The great part is there is no increase in difficulty from highsec sites and lowsec sites, but there is a 50% increase in profit in both ISK and LP. Journal entry: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/w/images/9/91/Vanguard_rpr.PNG

Quote:
If BS hulls are used what you think will work?
It's still very early on, and we haven't decided on which ship we would make as the primary ship to complete this it. It would likely be shield, and the nightmare is currently a top contender. The specifics on that are still to be worked out.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#6 - 2015-01-17 11:02:43 UTC
Jayne Fillon wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
NPSI ?

Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ?
Not Quite.

NPSI is Not Purple Shoot it - which essentially means public fleets, or more specifically people working together using the fleet mechanics even if they don't share a common corporation and alliance.

Quote:
Is 15(vanguard) on grid allowed in bluesec only or it is for low sec too

vg only or all sites?
Vanguard sites are likely the ones that we would attempt first, as they are unique in that you can have more people in fleet and still receive the same payout. The great part is there is no increase in difficulty from highsec sites and lowsec sites, but there is a 50% increase in profit in both ISK and LP. Journal entry: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/w/images/9/91/Vanguard_rpr.PNG

Quote:
If BS hulls are used what you think will work?
It's still very early on, and we haven't decided on which ship we would make as the primary ship to complete this it. It would likely be shield, and the nightmare is currently a top contender. The specifics on that are still to be worked out.


nice nice

since you can bring up to 5 ppl more to sites w/o affecting payout(over hi sec incursions) which will net you some 5000dps extra i hope it can be done with non 1b+ hulls and still get on top in isk/h.

using(risking) t1 ships and loosing em wouldn't be an issue for me.15b+ NM fleet on other hand is just a tasty cake.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Jayne Fillon
#7 - 2015-01-17 11:10:40 UTC
Yes, obviously if you can still trump hs isk/h using T1 battleships, that would be optimal since you wouldn't be risking anything and fewer people would go out of their way to try and kill you. Rokhs would be my first guess on which ship would be able to do it the best.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Dexter Cretralius
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-01-17 12:28:24 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Jayne Fillon wrote:
I'll keep this brief -

For those who don't know me, I'm the founder of Spectre Fleet - Eve's largest NPSI PvP Community.

NPSI ?

Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ?

DMC


The one thing to keep in mind however is that you are still responsible for any consequences that occur from shooting your alliances/corporations individual blues, some people choose to also ignore their alliances blue lists during NPSI fleets, but if your alliance CEO/Executors are likely to kick your ass for shooting blues it's probably in your best interest not to shoot them.

For example you are a CFC member and Spectre are running a NPSI fleet to Deklein/Branch, unless you're prepared to shoot blues you might want to skip that fleet.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-01-17 21:59:10 UTC
Eru GoEller wrote:

For once i remembered a community spotlight where i saw the NPSI explained, if not in fleet shoot it:).
Source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-spectre-fleets/

Ahhhh, seems I missed that Community Spotlight.

Thanks for the answer.

Jayne Fillon wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
NPSI ?

Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ?
Not Quite.

NPSI is Not Purple Shoot it - which essentially means public fleets, or more specifically people working together using the fleet mechanics even if they don't share a common corporation and alliance.

Thanks for explaining it. Seems that old saying still holds true :
Even after playing this game for years you can still learn something new every day.



DMC
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-01-17 22:07:00 UTC
Dexter Cretralius wrote:

The one thing to keep in mind however is that you are still responsible for any consequences that occur from shooting your alliances/corporations individual blues, some people choose to also ignore their alliances blue lists during NPSI fleets, but if your alliance CEO/Executors are likely to kick your ass for shooting blues it's probably in your best interest not to shoot them.

For example you are a CFC member and Spectre are running a NPSI fleet to Deklein/Branch, unless you're prepared to shoot blues you might want to skip that fleet.

Yeah, I understand and even though I don't have to worry about that due to being in NPC corp, I don't plan on joining the fleet.

I just needed some clarification on the NPSI acronym.

Thanks.



DMC
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#11 - 2015-01-18 07:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Torgeir Hekard
Shield or armorQuestion

Also what is to be done with long webs? Considering in HS VGs true sansha webs with links are used, and it's critical for npcs orbiting at 20. So are you going to include lokis with T2/M4 webs or pad fleets with huggins?
Jayne Fillon
#12 - 2015-01-18 15:23:45 UTC
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Shield or armorQuestion

Also what is to be done with long webs? Considering in HS VGs true sansha webs with links are used, and it's critical for npcs orbiting at 20. So are you going to include lokis with T2/M4 webs or pad fleets with huggins?
Likely shield... and there is no reason why we couldn't use fednavy webs with links in lowsec - links would be a certainty regardless. It may not be necessary to run with faction damage mods etc, but there are always going to be some "shiny" parts of the fleet that can't be compromised on in order to actually complete the site in good time.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#13 - 2015-01-18 16:22:44 UTC
There was a fleet that did this, shady fleet. don't know what happened to them as I haven't heard in a while. if the FCs aren't stuck up or feel that they are gods gift to incursions, I may have an interest

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Jayne Fillon
#14 - 2015-01-18 16:25:53 UTC
Agondray wrote:
There was a fleet that did this, shady fleet. don't know what happened to them as I haven't heard in a while. if the FCs aren't stuck up or feel that they are gods gift to incursions, I may have an interest
Do you have any information on "shady fleet" ? I have never heard of such an initiative even existing.... as for the FCs who consider themselves "god's gift" to New Eden, I'm hoping that starting fresh will avoid those problems, as well as the current blood feuds between existing highsec groups.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2015-01-19 10:45:59 UTC
sounds like fun to me.

looks like the full payout goes up to 16 pilots? and around 20 or so for the same payout as in the 12man highsec fleets. so can drop a lot of the shiny as you aren't worried about contests, and add another logi.

I guess the other question is how will the group handle pvp? I feel like that would be at least half the fun of such a venture. going out in 15-20 man battleship fleets. Also with current pirate BS prices I wouldn't really mind risking a few. After a few hours the ship is paid for. and if I make it that long and then get in a brawl the fun easily makes the isk part not matter.

plus maybe a few skynet carriers assisting fighters in system. not sure how incursion rats deal with fighters?

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Jayne Fillon
#16 - 2015-01-19 11:50:50 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
plus maybe a few skynet carriers assisting fighters in system. not sure how incursion rats deal with fighters?
I don't believe fighters can take acceleration gates, so skynet is out of the question unless I'm mistaken.

As for PvP, thanks to the natural cyno inhib of all incursion systems, you'd only have to worried about (large) black ops gangs and roaming fleets that try to take you out. Both would be rather easy to see coming and avoid, since they would have to spike local first, etc. Anything small could be ignored or killed if they tried to mess the fleet, and anything large enough to be a problem would be seen coming and avoided simply by warping to station.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#17 - 2015-01-19 14:04:46 UTC
Fighters/FBs can't take acceleration gates - else they'd be whined about in FW as well as the typical gate camps.

In FW we've ran a few of these from time to time out of boredom and to bait fights in more expensive boats. Short of the occasional larger pirate entity coming at us (which we had plenty of warning, nearly a whole site's worth, given how rare battleship/T2 cruiser large fleets are and how quickly channels light when a group is noticed) it was fairly easy to run as long as everyone was on top of things and warped as a single unit, took gates as a unit, etc etc. We did run Vindi heavy for that dank web bonus, and our "drone bunny" was a Loki instead of the usual Vindi and they would have a scram fitted (purely as an anti-MJD slot...since the point was to web/scare off threats, not kill).


If you get into this expect to be hunted. Also expect me to tag along for help. +1 Scimi/Basi pilot with Logi V for you sir.

Arma Purgatorium - What is Podded May Never Die

Jayne Fillon
#18 - 2015-01-19 14:29:38 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
If you get into this expect to be hunted. Also expect me to tag along for help. +1 Scimi/Basi pilot with Logi V for you sir.
Coming from a PvP background, getting hunted will be half the fun. :P

Getting paid will be the other half.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Typhoid Mary
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-01-19 14:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Typhoid Mary
Jayne Fillon wrote:
Morgan Torry wrote:
If you get into this expect to be hunted. Also expect me to tag along for help. +1 Scimi/Basi pilot with Logi V for you sir.
Coming from a PvP background, getting hunted will be half the fun. :P

Getting paid will be the other half.


Thats a really great Avatar picture. You looke like a General, and I want to instinctively salute you. o7
Padegejas
Vite
#20 - 2015-01-19 15:03:39 UTC
If you want to beat Highsec Incursions by income you should take into account that you'll need to kill the mothership in order to get the generated LP. Othervice you loose ~ 1/3 potential income. This task might be quite complicated at the starter as 40-60 man fleet won't be gathered easily. So most probably you'll loose your LP sometimes unless you'll use your PVP community as a source to gather mothership fleets (don't know how big your community is and what is the potential of gathering fleet of that size on demand)
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