EVE General Discussion

Generally vetting a true new player is easy.

And in general the awoxing new players are alts and those are very easy to spot if you know what you are doing.

Just cause you suck at doing something correctly doesnt mean something is wrong.

Just stop. Go play EVE, learn the mechanics, learn how corp security works and come back and make serious comments.

All you're doing is having an emotional response to the change and saying literally anything you can to dispute it regardless of how ludicrous it is. You cannot tell the difference between a new player and a new character on a new account controlled by an awoxer.

Citation... where did you read that...show me the official CCP source of said change.


And it is very easy to spot a genuine new player from an alt of a veteran player by just interacting with them before you let them join. Not to mention that an awox alt will 99% of the time fail any half decent API check cause he will need some form of asset / ISK to fund the awox.

Or take the safe approach of a trainee corp in your alliance. They can join in on the stuff while there without the hazard for the main corp. Most Awoxers are not patient enough to go through thw trainee corp when there are plenty of stupid and easier targets.

Or let them fly on good standings with you for a while before you officially recruit them. Again, an awoxer will not even try as there are plenty of stupid corps that let him in too easily.

You are the one nit knowing the mechanics obciously.

There are already loads of ways to protect you from Awoxers.
You keep bouncing from "Waah all new players are awoxers" to "Waah everybody wants to awox new players". Both which are false, the first as explained above is easily avoided by good and clever recruitment the latter just doesnt make sense. Why would I Awox a new player when I can awox Johnny No-clue in his pimped Navy Raven as easily if I wanted.

Sure, there will be people that target new players in their Awoxing, but the majority of the awoxers target bigger ships for bigger gains and a much better killboard.

Look who says that.

Come back when yoh have been recruiting for 3.5 years aswel as being the lead recruiter and security guy for an alliance.

And never ever saw anything that you claim happen.
I've rwcruited and saw plenty of new players been recruited, none of which were awoxers. Sure, we had to turn down a bunch of alts that tried, but those were easily spotted.

Look at their skills, and look at their assets. Odds are that if a "newbie" is making a beeline for destroyers, you're in for some trouble.


Here's a novel idea: having new players join loot pinata corporations is a bad idea. Being in the damn NPC corporations is a touch better than being taught to fit flux coils on your Drake, and to be afraid of your own shadow, by some megalomaniac who treats his corporation members like his own personal property.

What is this thread about? :/

The original mention of this came from Summer CSM minutes - Page 77 which explains in part why they are doing it. Following that there were numerous discussions about it which CCP posted in, but you'll have to search around for those.

Oh I see, so you're saying an awoxer can;t pretend to be a newbie (which is obviously wrong) and that getting isk to your awoxer alt is an issue (which is again wrong - it's called jettisoning PLEX in space and pretending you bought PLEX), and that awoxers need funding - which is again wrong since a half decent awoxer can deal enormous damage with just the stuff they get from tutorial missions.

This is segregating newbies, which is hardly newbie friendly and it's certainly not a surefire way of getting rid of awoxers.

So refuse to recruit them and say "I'll set you blue, and later I might recruit you". I won't even begin to explain why that idea is terrible.

On top of all of this you miss one thing - you're talking about behavioural changes - You can't force people to do this, so the fact is that most corps just don;t recruit noobs, since it's safer and easier to simply put in minimum SP limits.

I'm not bouncing between anything, I can only assume you're either reading someone else's posts and attributing them to me or you can't read basic English very well. So stop putting this strawman back up. I've stated clearly that this is not my opinion. It has nothing to do with people wanting to awox newbies in their rookie ships, it's about the refusal to recruit newbies into decent corps. The fact that this is what you keep returning to is just further proof you don't understand the change.

Effectively you're crying your eyes out because a handful of awoxers won't have easy mode awoxing any more. Well tough luck. CCP have already had this discussion with us, they've looked at the stats and made the decision. The change is coming, so get over it. If you can't get over it, quit.

All of this talk about how CEOs don't recruit noobs because of awoxing completely ignores the fact that CEOs don't recruit noobs at much higher rates because they can be future war spies. Doesn't even begin to compare.

Maybe you feel safe talking about hypotheticals, but I actually infiltrate these corporations by the dozen and get hired to protect them sometimes, so I have more than enough practical experience with regard to the matter. I think I heard awoxing being mentioned half a dozen times at most by these people in the last five or six years, but every single one of them make war spying an almost-daily piece of conversation.

amount of effort put in is irrelevant if the feature is no longer there.

Could this change be in violation of Malcani's Law?