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Drone Boat for lvl 4 missions

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Sentinel Oramara
Oramaras Noob Miners Inc
#1 - 2015-01-18 12:52:29 UTC
Hello all of you out there

I hope you People wont be to upset if i ask questions that already have been asked. So here goes.

Lvl3 Missions are not that hard with my Rattlesnake. i know it may be total overkill, but i really dont care. Back to topic. I have found out that i count way to much on my drones. So my thoughts, why not make a bad habit into something i can use for actually getting somewhete with my Security-Status.

Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?"

Thanks in advance and fly safe out there.

Sentinel Smile
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2015-01-18 12:58:33 UTC
It''s okay, honey!

Always ask, what you don't know.

Now, I am curious. You are flying a droneboat and ask for a droneboat that that does the same thing. Why don't you just stick with the one you have and give it a go?

You can't do wrong with the Rattlesnake.

Here is a hint from about eight years of EVE level 4 mission experience, that is no level 4 mission in EVE that the Rattlesnake can not handle.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#3 - 2015-01-18 12:58:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
Sentinel Oramara wrote:


Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?"



Drone is love, drone is life, all hail the mighty rattlesnake and sentries (or gecko) :

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake Stable - 1556 DPS - 330 m/s (Kronos)]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Cap Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Target Painter II

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70511-Rattlesnake-Stable-1-556-DPS-330-m-s-Kronos.html

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Sentinel Oramara
Oramaras Noob Miners Inc
#4 - 2015-01-18 13:13:00 UTC
Elitatwo: aha. The rattlesnake is a drone-boat. Ok. Well i'll stick with that then. Thanks.
Kiddoomer: i'll try that fit. I think i have most of the stuff somewhere. Thank you.
Doopi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-01-18 18:22:09 UTC
Im using ishtar for lvl 4 mish with this fit. I don't want a dominix because this "potatoes" is soo ugly right now X
works well against angels cartel, up to 100km snipe with sentry.

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
medium armor repair II
explosif hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Target Painter II
stasis web II
10M afterburner II
omnidirectional tracking II + tracking script

small remote armor repair II
nosferatu II
Drone Link Augmentor II
empty

medium nanobot accelerator I
medium auxiliary nano pump I

5x berserker II
5x warrior II
5x bouncer II
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#6 - 2015-01-18 20:31:09 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
Sentinel Oramara wrote:


Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?"



Drone is love, drone is life, all hail the mighty rattlesnake and sentries (or gecko) :

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake Stable - 1556 DPS - 330 m/s (Kronos)]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Cap Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Target Painter II

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70511-Rattlesnake-Stable-1-556-DPS-330-m-s-Kronos.html

This fit is bad. Cap stability is unnecessary, and without rigors/flares in the rig slots the missiles won't do full damage to some BSes, much less to BCs/cruisers.

To the OP: If you're only using drones and not also using missiles, the dominix is technically better than the rattlesnake due to the range/tracking bonus on the drones, but if you're already comfortable with the rattlesnake might as well keep using it.
Sylveria Relden
#7 - 2015-01-18 20:37:23 UTC
I've always heard the Dominix been mentioned as "queen" of the Level 4 Drone Boats, but I've also heard good thinks about the Rattlesnake as well.

If you're talking combo weapon systems, Rattler does well (from what I've read/heard) since the Dominix doesn't have any weapon bonuses outside of its drones.

But if you're talking about drones alone, either Dominix or Ishtar (lately, anyway but that could be FOTM till Ishtar gets looked at...)

Personally I've tried neither, but then again I'd want to make sure I'm completely ready for BS's with supports and T2 guns before I do it. Sure you can probably do it without, but I'd rather be completely prepared. NPC mobs aren't the only thing you need to be concerned with if you're doing missions, after all :)

TL;DR If you didn't read the entire post perhaps you're probably ADHD. (seek help)

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-01-18 20:55:27 UTC
Sentinel Oramara wrote:

Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?"

Dominix, Gila, Rattlesnake.

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Eat dessert first!

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-01-19 01:00:39 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Kiddoomer wrote:
Sentinel Oramara wrote:


Do you People have suggestions on Ships and Fits regarding a "Drone-Boat for lvl4 Missions?"



Drone is love, drone is life, all hail the mighty rattlesnake and sentries (or gecko) :

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake Stable - 1556 DPS - 330 m/s (Kronos)]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Cap Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Target Painter II

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/70511-Rattlesnake-Stable-1-556-DPS-330-m-s-Kronos.html

This fit is bad. Cap stability is unnecessary, and without rigors/flares in the rig slots the missiles won't do full damage to some BSes, much less to BCs/cruisers.

To the OP: If you're only using drones and not also using missiles, the dominix is technically better than the rattlesnake due to the range/tracking bonus on the drones, but if you're already comfortable with the rattlesnake might as well keep using it.

confirming the fit is bad.
lose all the cap mods/rigs.
you need a drone tracking mod in the mids in place of the cap recharger.
rigs should be rigors/flares for dps or maybe 1/2 shield ehp rigs to make ganking more expensive depending on preference. the RS is massively overtanked anyway for 4's. no need for all that cap.

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Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-01-19 04:11:39 UTC
The strength of the Rattlesnake is having missiles in addition to the potential drone damage output of the Domi. It's a fantastic boat, but to really take advantage of it you need the missile skills to back it up.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Sylveria Relden
#11 - 2015-01-19 04:14:07 UTC
Quattras Peione wrote:
The strength of the Rattlesnake is having missiles in addition to the potential drone damage output of the Domi. It's a fantastic boat, but to really take advantage of it you need the missile skills to back it up.


Thanks :) I've actually been really interested in trying one at some point- because the Dominix is a butt-ugly potato.
(pardon the vulgarity- oh I know, your "virgin" ears)

Good feedback as far as builds, too. :)

TL;DR If you didn't read the entire post perhaps you're probably ADHD. (seek help)

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#12 - 2015-01-20 11:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
Sylveria Relden wrote:
because the Dominix is a butt-ugly potato.



This ugly potato can do over 600 DPS from over 160km (warden II optimal range is 162 km) with176 km targeting range (same drone control range) and you do not need to wait, till your misssles fly that far. With Garde II it makes almost 750 DPS with 65 optimal (100 km is still under Garde II falloff). I do not know what drone control range do you usually have in your ishtar or rattlesnake, but I seriosly doubt you can beat this in what regarding drones or price.

[Dominix, 176 km]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script

Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Small Tractor Beam I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Drone Scope Chip II
Large Ionic Field Projector II
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II

Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Gecko
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#13 - 2015-01-20 16:13:33 UTC
Don't forget the 'Geddon. It lacks the Domi's range bonus so it can't snipe as well with sentries, but it is a very flexible drone platform.

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Jewsus Gomez
New Onus Corp
#14 - 2015-02-07 23:44:04 UTC
Lots of gallente guys use the dominix, but I prefer cruisers. Specifically I have ishtar trained up but I have been working on a proteus since it's a 'little' better for how I want to use it.

My ishtar build:

My shiney active fit ishtar. . Tanks 500 dps active with around 700 dps with drones and is cap stable. Admittedly I had to swap out a drone damage amp for a second power diag on my rig because of small overall cap reserve means it gets less than cap stable without the extra boost. snipe with your wardens until your enemies within 45k, then use gardes until 20k, then pull out the geckos/ogres. Works pretty well and I've not had any hairy tier 4 moments since.

[Ishtar, active shield speed tank]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Power Diagnostic System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II OR swap
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner

250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Tungsten Charge M (for aggro)
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Gecko x2Federation Navy Ogre x1, Warden II x5, Garde II x5


I also found a way to fit a pithx large booster and a higher cap pool here. I never actually ran with this set-up but it should be tight according to the fitting tool on my phone. The pith x booster costs 100m isk less than the Gith x, but the Gist x is way better because it cycles faster.

[Ishtar, pithx ishtar]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Power Diagnostic System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Large Capacitor Battery II
Republic Fleet EM Ward Amplifier

Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II

Gecko x2Federation Navy Ogre x1, Warden II x5, Garde II x5

Kar'saran
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-02-10 09:24:33 UTC
The Ishtar Fits I have seen all are shield tanked i run mine armour tanked.. am i doing this wrong?

Either way im very happy with my fit and find i can chew through lvl4's in no time.

low
x2 Imp Navy Drone Dmg Amps
x2 Dark Blood med armour reps
x1 Fed navy 400mn Reinforced steel plate (or Dark blood energised adaptive Nano Membrane - Im still playing around with this. To resists or buffer?)

Med
x2 T2 large capacitor batteries
x1 T2 Cap Recharger
x1 Fed Navy Omni tracking link
x1 Dominion 10mn afterburner

High
x3 Salvagers (will be T2 when skilled)
x1 'Scout accelerator cannon (for aggro)

Mods
T2 Nanobot accelerator
T2 Auxiliary nano pump

Drones
x10 'Augmented' Ogres
x9 'Augmented' hammerheads
x7 'Augmented' Hobgoblins

11min cap with all but salvager running but usually only need to pulse the second rep so cap is not an issue.
1043 rep in 6.8 seconds with both running. 8,453EHP.
790dps with 5 ogres, switching out drones depending on target size.

Its a fun one to fly, I enjoy it. Constructive criticism is welcome though....
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-02-10 10:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
Jewsus Gomez wrote:

My ishtar build:

My shiney active fit ishtar. . Tanks 500 dps active with around 700 dps with drones and is cap stable. Admittedly I had to swap out a drone damage amp for a second power diag on my rig because of small overall cap reserve means it gets less than cap stable without the extra boost. snipe with your wardens until your enemies within 45k, then use gardes until 20k, then pull out the geckos/ogres. Works pretty well and I've not had any hairy tier 4 moments since.

[Ishtar, active shield speed tank]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Power Diagnostic System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II OR swap
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner

250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Tungsten Charge M (for aggro)
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Gecko x2Federation Navy Ogre x1, Warden II x5, Garde II x5


I guess you should improve your fitting skills. I can easily swap the Nano for a 4th DDA. And a 500dps tank shouldn't be necessary in most options, so you don't need to be cap stable! (you'll never need to be cap stable in level 4 anyway) and can you your meds for other things like Omni-Tracking, etc.
I prefer passive Shield Ishtar Fits with 10MN MWD. Burn to Sniperrange, if necessary at all, drop Sentries and apply very well your damage!
Burn to Gate when only a few rats remain, which can be handled by your non-sentry-drones/ Warp out when mission is done. No need to have huge tank and you can more easily blitz missions for more income/standing.

Besides this I LOVE THE BIG 1.650dps BANG RATTLESNAKE!!!

@Kar'saran: If you armor tank it you loose a lot of damage. Why should you, when Ishtars can be flown much better / as well with Shield tank. Despite the composition of your fitting is not optimised (don't mix buffer and rep e.g.) your Fitting w/o drones costs 600M ISK. My Fitting costs 230M ISK and I do with the same drones (Augmented Ogre) 929dps (i.e. I have no faction DDAs fitted, just T2), even though my Fitting is not build to brawl with Ogres when having stageaggro, but mainly to snipe with Sentries (no drone travel times, no tracking issues, alpha Frigs, etc.) and mainly blitz missions.

PS: @Karsaran: if you really fly missions with your above ishtar, I strongly recommend you to stay alerted now or change at least the setup of your drone bay. Just your modules and drones, which all can drop are worth 1B ISK, too much with such low EHP value! They will find you and they will gank you with that fit easily!

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#17 - 2015-02-10 11:07:24 UTC
Doopi wrote:
Im using ishtar for lvl 4 mish with this fit. I don't want a dominix because this "potatoes" is soo ugly right now X
works well against angels cartel, up to 100km snipe with sentry.

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
medium armor repair II
explosif hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Target Painter II
stasis web II
10M afterburner II
omnidirectional tracking II + tracking script

small remote armor repair II
nosferatu II
Drone Link Augmentor II
empty

medium nanobot accelerator I
medium auxiliary nano pump I

5x berserker II
5x warrior II
5x bouncer II


why are you armor tanking this?

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-02-10 13:25:58 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


why are you armor tanking this?



I think the bigger question is why has it got a web
Kar'saran
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-02-10 13:34:10 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
[quote=Jewsus Gomez]


@Kar'saran: If you armor tank it you loose a lot of damage. Why should you, when Ishtars can be flown much better / as well with Shield tank. Despite the composition of your fitting is not optimised (don't mix buffer and rep e.g.) your Fitting w/o drones costs 600M ISK. My Fitting costs 230M ISK and I do with the same drones (Augmented Ogre) 929dps (i.e. I have no faction DDAs fitted, just T2), even though my Fitting is not build to brawl with Ogres when having stageaggro, but mainly to snipe with Sentries (no drone travel times, no tracking issues, alpha Frigs, etc.) and mainly blitz missions.

PS: @Karsaran: if you really fly missions with your above ishtar, I strongly recommend you to stay alerted now or change at least the setup of your drone bay. Just your modules and drones, which all can drop are worth 1B ISK, too much with such low EHP value! They will find you and they will gank you with that fit easily!


Ha yea i dont run that on this char... its on an alt. Im not that suicidal... thanks for the help though.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-02-10 13:48:20 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


why are you armor tanking this?



I think the bigger question is why has it got a web


Thought exactly the same thing Lol

@Kar: Nevertheless they may find your alt now as well. ^^ Anyway take a look on ShieldFittings. More damage, better tank, even those above.

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