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Wardeccers cost me my corp/alliance membership, need advice

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Mount Sumaco
AXOIS
#121 - 2015-01-15 09:55:53 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Am I too late to say aww diddums?


It's never too late for that, especially when it's warranted.

Something I forgot to mention previously: though you may personally feel different, you may think the playerbase is "blind" to the game's faults and sees only rainbows and unicorns in Jita local, the general "gamer" out there disagrees with you.

[url]http://www.mmogames.com/gamearticles/mmogames-best-2014-readers-poll-awards/[/url]

And though you seem to have overcome your angst, its good to just remind you (and anyone reading who agrees with you) that, as usual, probably all your problems can be found in the mirror, and not in the environment around you.

... that damn mirror...
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#122 - 2015-01-15 11:04:11 UTC
Posadas wrote:
PS I was in a PvP wormhole corp getting silly ISK for doing sites and getting into mad fights with far far more experienced pilots when I was at 500k SP.


But in spite of having been able to get silly ISK doing that, you absolutely were forced to go to highsec (without temporarily dropping corp) to run some missions to make ISK because reasons?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#123 - 2015-01-15 11:30:06 UTC
Mount Sumaco wrote:


... that damn mirror...



Least the mirror does something. Damn door still doesn't open!

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Posadas
Air
The Initiative.
#124 - 2015-01-15 13:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Posadas
Areen Sassel wrote:
Posadas wrote:
PS I was in a PvP wormhole corp getting silly ISK for doing sites and getting into mad fights with far far more experienced pilots when I was at 500k SP.


But in spite of having been able to get silly ISK doing that, you absolutely were forced to go to highsec (without temporarily dropping corp) to run some missions to make ISK because reasons?


yeah. Ran out of ISK and I also needed improved standings. Dropping corp wasn't something I could do - I asked my corpmates and they objected (because reasons)

Mount Sumaco wrote:
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Am I too late to say aww diddums?


It's never too late for that, especially when it's warranted.

Something I forgot to mention previously: though you may personally feel different, you may think the playerbase is "blind" to the game's faults and sees only rainbows and unicorns in Jita local, the general "gamer" out there disagrees with you.

[url]http://www.mmogames.com/gamearticles/mmogames-best-2014-readers-poll-awards/[/url]

And though you seem to have overcome your angst, its good to just remind you (and anyone reading who agrees with you) that, as usual, probably all your problems can be found in the mirror, and not in the environment around you.

... that damn mirror...


This is an hilarious reply, thank you for posting it.

The playerbase isn't blind to the game's flaws (which are many) but a great many here seem to be - such as the angry defensiveness and desperate attempts to dismiss my experiences by linking that (highly scientific and reputable) online poll. Fantastic stuff. Beats actually thinking for yourself though, right?

You can put up as many polls as you like, doesn't change what happened to me, does it?

I think there's a weird kind of stockholm syndrome mixed with slavish brand loyalty at work with some players in this game. it's a shame - it makes the others who are more objective and considered look bad to be associated with you.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#125 - 2015-01-15 14:29:50 UTC
Posadas wrote:
Areen Sassel wrote:
Posadas wrote:
PS I was in a PvP wormhole corp getting silly ISK for doing sites and getting into mad fights with far far more experienced pilots when I was at 500k SP.


But in spite of having been able to get silly ISK doing that, you absolutely were forced to go to highsec (without temporarily dropping corp) to run some missions to make ISK because reasons?


yeah. Ran out of ISK and I also needed improved standings. Dropping corp wasn't something I could do - I asked my corpmates and they objected (because reasons)

Mount Sumaco wrote:
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Am I too late to say aww diddums?


It's never too late for that, especially when it's warranted.

Something I forgot to mention previously: though you may personally feel different, you may think the playerbase is "blind" to the game's faults and sees only rainbows and unicorns in Jita local, the general "gamer" out there disagrees with you.

[url]http://www.mmogames.com/gamearticles/mmogames-best-2014-readers-poll-awards/[/url]

And though you seem to have overcome your angst, its good to just remind you (and anyone reading who agrees with you) that, as usual, probably all your problems can be found in the mirror, and not in the environment around you.

... that damn mirror...


This is an hilarious reply, thank you for posting it.

The playerbase isn't blind to the game's flaws (which are many) but a great many here seem to be - such as the angry defensiveness and desperate attempts to dismiss my experiences by linking that (highly scientific and reputable) online poll. Fantastic stuff. Beats actually thinking for yourself though, right?

You can put up as many polls as you like, doesn't change what happened to me, does it?

I think there's a weird kind of stockholm syndrome mixed with slavish brand loyalty at work with some players in this game. it's a shame - it makes the others who are more objective and considered look bad to be associated with you.



Thing is, most of these "more objective" players pretty much only are after "make eve like WOW in space".

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#126 - 2015-01-15 14:39:20 UTC
A slightly tipsy notion occurred to me. Your previous corp mistreated you badly. They put you in a bind and when you tried to fix it and got burned they dumped you in a heartbeat. You now know their habits and haunts. You know when they are and are not on. Why not dedicate your next few months to making their lives as miserable as possible? Stalk them in the night and give them the three finger surprise when they least expect it. Make it cost them far more to boot you than you ever lost.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#127 - 2015-01-15 15:33:16 UTC
Posadas wrote:
yeah. Ran out of ISK and I also needed improved standings. Dropping corp wasn't something I could do


Yes, it was. And you spent a fair chunk of this thread telling us they were no good (although they gave you one piece of solid advice which you disregarded), so why not?
Dreaded Vengance
The Congregation
HIDDEN LEAF VILLAGE NINJA AssAssIn SQUAD eSports
#128 - 2015-01-15 15:54:39 UTC
Posadas wrote:
I think there's a weird kind of stockholm syndrome mixed with slavish brand loyalty at work with some players in this game. it's a shame - it makes the others who are more objective and considered look bad to be associated with you.


It's subjective; for me FWs sovereignty grind, mechanics and disproportionate payouts for 'effort' are broken but I still spent over a year doing to understand that and I'll probably go back at some point because the fighting is fun.

However, the subject of your OP and the conclusion that you come to about game mechanics after a limited amount of time testing them, is....well, not really what C&P is about. Not for me anyway, I want the grand tales of piracy and embezzlement in the harsh EvE universe that drew me to the game in the first place, not a whine, not be labelled a fanboy. I mean WIS, boot.ini, blink and other grumbles ffs, but for the most part we are to a degree invested and interested in the thing, else, why would anyone post here.

Omar is right, your corp didn't help you out, don't suicide your half fit dessies into people and talk bollocks about all the isk you made in a WH (your losses don't break 2bil) or the gud fights you didn't have. Go rob them, **** them up and come back to post about it.
Kraxalious
Domini Caedis
#129 - 2015-01-15 17:04:42 UTC
I am not sure why you are so fixated on "standings"

-If you are in a sov alliance and want to make jump clones, you use their stations to make them and don't need empire standings.

-If you are in a non-sov holding alliance and need a jump clone, you can get someone with a rorqual to make you a jump clone without needing any standings.

-If you want to make isk, you don't need standings.

-You no longer need standings to anchor a POS in highsec.

So, saying standings caused you to be stuck and lose your bling to a wardec is pretty terrible.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2015-01-15 18:45:34 UTC
Posadas wrote:
This was deleted from General Discussion, hopefully I'll be able to repost it in a shorter format here and have a discussion about the issues it raises (one that goes beyond the childish macho platitudes of "you can't hack it, go play WoW etc" I've encountered so far)

Mods, if this isn't the appropriate sub-forum for this particular discussion would you please direct me to where it would be appropriate. Thanks.

So I lost my Megathron Navy Issue to Wardeccers. I'm not really bothered about that in itself, losing ships is of little consequence in Eve, even expensive ones, but how I ended up in the situation where I was in hi-sec having to run mission after mission, just to be able to participate in a nullsec fleet every now and then, has annoyed me a great deal.

Here's the kill in question - https://zkillboard.com/kill/43661459/

I'm not embarassed to show you - losing ships in Eve means nothing if you're having fun in the process, and being OCD about your killboard is counter-productive if you actually want to enjoy this game. I learned that early on. That's not my point here, so please spare me the jibes about how delicious my tears taste etc, my point is how come the game forces people to engage in this tedious grind of hi-sec mission running for ISK, standing, etc but then also includes a mechanic which means that Wardeccers can destroy you whilst you do this unwelcome grind on a total whim? If you're going to make me do a grind for whatever reason, ok I'll accept that, but then don't make that impossible for me as well, because then what I can I do? This seems like a really serious flaw in the gameplay, one that basically crippled my enjoyment of the game and cost me my corp membership, and because of the perpetually adolescent machismo that exists in the community about these things a rational discussion about it seems very difficult.

I was basically locked out of being able to play the game for weeks because I had no money to buy ships to replace my losses in my nullsec corp, no standings to set up jump clones to go somewhere safer to rat/run missions, and no freedom of movement outside the station I was docked in. I spent weeks just in my base spinning my ship because the game led me down a dead end. Couldn't run missions in nullsec because of corp standings and unsafe location, couldn't go to hi-sec beacuse no jump-clone and Wardeccers. Couldn't do anything basically. All I could do is grind then die, grind then die, over and over.



I dont get it.

You were in a war, you knew you were in a war, you decided to undock in hisec anyways. And then you died. Wardeccers did not destroy you "On a whim". You had ample notification. The fact that you chose to ignore those notifications, the fact that you chose to ignore the red icon next to the person you are at war with in local, the eve-mail notification sent to you informing you of this war, is not the games fault.

If you dont like a wardec, then dont join a corp. Its that easy. The rewards of joining a corp are great, but so is the risk. Balance in everything.

The problem i see, is that you are confusing two different states of the game.

Do you want to PVP and risk losing your ship? Or do you want to grind isk safely with minimal risk to losing a ship?

There is an inherent contradiction between the two questions, and if you want to do both on the same character, then you must necessarily take the steps into ensuring that one does not come into conflict with the other. If you are not willing to, then there will always be a chance that one will overlap with the other. Hence why you lost a ship while trying to grind isk.

There are plenty of things to do in EVE that mix isk-making with potential PVP. Ratting, Complexes, etc, provide ample ISK, and ample risk of PVP at any time. Infact, if you were in nullsec, i would ask why you didnt rat the belts. They provide an excellent source of income, especially if you run into the faction spawns, that regularly drop faction loot.

Also, i am completely confused as to why you do not grind a faction and get standings for jump clones. Its what i did before joining any of my friends in nullsec when we were in a nullsec alliance. I brought my Sisters of Eve standing to 8.0, made myself a jump clone, and hopped in to nullsec. Made a hefty sum of isk too while i was at it. You should stop relying on others and do it yourself.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#131 - 2015-01-17 05:25:35 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:
Also, i am completely confused as to why you do not grind a faction and get standings for jump clones.


Or just use Estel Arador. There are no prizes for doing it the hard way.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#132 - 2015-01-17 09:25:23 UTC
Cry more.

The Tears Must Flow

flakeys
Doomheim
#133 - 2015-01-17 10:19:50 UTC
For some threads my signature is all the reply that is needed ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#134 - 2015-01-17 11:30:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Honestly it seems to me that the biggest problem you had was that you were in a **** corp. I think you may have gotten yourself in a slight logic circle as well, since you appear convinced that there is no way out for you. It may not be obvious, but it is certainly far from true that there is nothing you can do. There are also several pre conceived notions you have which you probably need to have broken to succeed.

If I were you, I'd look at KarmaFleet (no really, I'm not joking). With a supportive corp, with proper SRP, you will not be poor, you will have stuff to do, and you will be able to make ISK (provided you take proper precautions).

As a general rule, it is not wise to try to run highsec missions while in a corp that is permadecc'd by people like Marmite when your corp/alliance's base is in nullsec.

If you desperately want to do highsec missions, do them in a 1 man alt corp with a different character, and feed your earnings into your other characters as necessary. I personally wouldn't bother with HS missions myself, but depending on how volatile your area of null space is, you may well find that you can earn more blitzing HS missions in the optimal fashion, mostly because you are less likely to be interrupted (when doing it with an appropriate alt).

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#135 - 2015-01-17 11:45:33 UTC
Posadas wrote:
Areen Sassel wrote:
Posadas wrote:
PS I was in a PvP wormhole corp getting silly ISK for doing sites and getting into mad fights with far far more experienced pilots when I was at 500k SP.


But in spite of having been able to get silly ISK doing that, you absolutely were forced to go to highsec (without temporarily dropping corp) to run some missions to make ISK because reasons?


yeah. Ran out of ISK and I also needed improved standings. Dropping corp wasn't something I could do - I asked my corpmates and they objected (because reasons)

Are you aware that you can make ISK without flying an 800 million ISK ship in highsec while at war?

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

Dracones
Tarsis Inc
#136 - 2015-01-17 14:51:03 UTC
Posadas wrote:

Could you tell me more about lowsec piracy?


Personally I was going to suggest faction warfare. Looking at your killboard you have an affinity for Atrons and Catalysts in the 5-10mil range. You also aren't afraid to get into scraps and lose them.

That level of ship is perfect for Faction Warfare and you'll net 10 mil+ per 10 mins of running plex. My typical PvP experience in FW was popping into deep enemy turf, I'd run an offensive novice for 15 mil isk which would pay for my ship losses for the next couple hours or so.
Joe Starbreaker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2015-01-17 22:17:58 UTC
To the OP: I think the flawed assumption you are working from is that flying battleships is more fun than flying frigates. The thing is, you can only fly one ship at a time, and getting shot at is equally exciting whether the ship is big or small. If I were in your situation, I'd dock up, buy ten frigates, and tell the war-deckers in Local that you'll give them ten 1v1 fights if they'll switch into the same. It'll be more fun for you, more fun for them, and hardly cost anything. You might even win a few of the fights.
Snake Pliiskin
Destination Fncked
#138 - 2015-01-18 06:06:08 UTC
Join eve uni, never exceed T1 frigates, use your damn head, younger pilots get into the fun and fray faster than you outline a problem clearly not there, other than inside your own mindset on how to advance onto this game. Move on or get slaughtered mate.

I am, thy Snake Pliiskin.

Jevatoxa
Amandla Legion
Electus Matari
#139 - 2015-01-18 08:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jevatoxa
I'm glad you linked your KB cos it makes astounding reading given your whining on here about getting blown up!

OP suicide ganks in hisec. Then whines when he's on the receiving end of a wardec and loses his shiny toy. Pot, kettle...

Hilarious!

Simple advice: actions in this game have consequences. Don't give what you can't take.

You're in an NPC corp for now, so you're safe from wardecs. Run the tutorial missions and build up standings with a mission npc corp (this will also help when you later need jumpclones). Then work slowly up to bigger ships. It won't take long to be back making the isk.

Finally, next time follow rule 1 of Eve and only fly what you can afford to lose.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#140 - 2015-01-19 01:08:09 UTC
Honestly, the problem here is joining a corp in highsec. Current mechanics including wars and awoxxing make them worthless. Just stick to NPC and 1 man corps.