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Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#481 - 2015-01-17 11:38:11 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.

fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day.


What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content?

Of course sub numbers mean more than a niché group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#482 - 2015-01-17 11:42:22 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.

fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day.


What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content?

Of course sub numbers mean more than a niché group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them.

The part in which you befriend some rich clown, and then pop his shiny CNR, or freighter full of his belongings after convincing him to move a few systems over. Or the good old mining op bust. You know, the stuff that actually makes up the majority of awoxing activities, as opposed to the ridiculous bullcrap about little day-old babbys losing their basic-fitted Ventures to sociopath griefers blah blah (I've seriously yet to see a kill like that).

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#483 - 2015-01-17 11:43:51 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.

fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day.


What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content?

Of course sub numbers mean more than a niché group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them.


I must point out that there is a remote possiblity of hisec awoxing being quality content, but the dumbmode point-click-killmail on a random corpie is definitely not it.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Dave Stark
#484 - 2015-01-17 11:44:44 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.

fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day.


What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content?

Of course sub numbers mean more than a niché group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them.


which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content?

which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content?

in short; all of it, to different people.

by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can.
Dave Stark
#485 - 2015-01-17 11:46:06 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
I must point out that there is a remote possiblity of hisec awoxing being quality content, but the dumbmode point-click-killmail on a random corpie is definitely not it.


which is entirely the fault of how neutral logi works, not the corp aggression mechanics.
Solecist Project
#486 - 2015-01-17 11:47:42 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.

fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day.


What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content?

Of course sub numbers mean more than a niché group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them.


which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content?

which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content?

in short; all of it, to different people.

by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can.

We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#487 - 2015-01-17 11:49:20 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
I must point out that there is a remote possiblity of hisec awoxing being quality content, but the dumbmode point-click-killmail on a random corpie is definitely not it.


which is entirely the fault of how neutral logi works, not the corp aggression mechanics.


Look I'm with you on this one. I think neutral logi should get at least limited engagement.
But on question of easymode awoxing, I'm with CCP - let it begone.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#488 - 2015-01-17 11:49:26 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.

fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day.


What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content?

Of course sub numbers mean more than a niché group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them.


which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content?

which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content?

in short; all of it, to different people.

by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can.

We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.

We can't, because Mr Epeen said there would be mass unsubs.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Dave Stark
#489 - 2015-01-17 11:49:58 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.


considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it.
Solecist Project
#490 - 2015-01-17 11:51:45 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.

fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day.


What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content?

Of course sub numbers mean more than a niché group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them.


which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content?

which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content?

in short; all of it, to different people.

by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can.

We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.

We can't, because Mr Epeen said there would be mass unsubs.

Well ... that's actually true.

Removing missions would remove a lot of worthless sorry ass carebears from the game,
which means that there are far less targets around.


Removing NPC starter corps though would maybe remove a few vets ...
... but not new players, because they literally had no clue they'd start in them anyway.

That "argument" of his bothered me a lot.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Dave Stark
#491 - 2015-01-17 11:52:01 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
I must point out that there is a remote possiblity of hisec awoxing being quality content, but the dumbmode point-click-killmail on a random corpie is definitely not it.


which is entirely the fault of how neutral logi works, not the corp aggression mechanics.


Look I'm with you on this one. I think neutral logi should get at least limited engagement.
But on question of easymode awoxing, I'm with CCP - let it begone.


if you could attack the logi ships, easymode awoxing wouldn't exist at all.

it's only easymode because 1-2 almost literally unkillable t1 logi ships can turn an hour old character in a gnosis in to an unkillable awoxing machine.

if we want the easymode awoxing to be gone - the fix is the way neutral logi flagging [doesn't] work. no tthis removal of an almost entire style of play.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#492 - 2015-01-17 11:52:57 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.


considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it.


0 player interaction stands above negative player interaction such as dumbmode awox.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#493 - 2015-01-17 11:54:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.


considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it.


0 player interaction stands above negative player interaction such as dumbmode awox.

Gotta quote this.

This has to remain for everyone to see what the average carebear mentality is with regard to pvp in this game.

"Negative" player interaction, guys.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Solecist Project
#494 - 2015-01-17 11:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Hell ... all NPC corps should be removed and rather new players should be moved
into one of the established corps that actually help people who start.

Like Brave Newbies, for example. I said it before, I say it again.

CCP is clueless about new player retention. If they want to better it,
then they should put new players into corps that actually have a social structure.

Brave Newbies, EVE UNI, RvB ... let players decide how they want to start the game.


The crap CCP has now is just bullshit. They are far from understanding the real issue
and I am getting tired of mentioning that it's a social engineering problem
and not related to game mechanics at all.

Also, stop feeding the stupid haters like that basil guy above ...
... who deliberately make you respond.


You make yourself look weak.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Dave Stark
#495 - 2015-01-17 11:54:42 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.


considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it.


0 player interaction stands above negative player interaction such as dumbmode awox.


remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting?

i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#496 - 2015-01-17 11:55:14 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
if you could attack the logi ships, easymode awoxing wouldn't exist at all.

it's only easymode because 1-2 almost literally unkillable t1 logi ships can turn an hour old character in a gnosis in to an unkillable awoxing machine.

if we want the easymode awoxing to be gone - the fix is the way neutral logi flagging [doesn't] work. no tthis removal of an almost entire style of play.


I completely disagree.

Even a hour old character can still easily awox an exhumer, freighter, or any other industrial ship.
No amount of flagging would be able to prevent that. That's why what CCP trying to do is best solution imo.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Solecist Project
#497 - 2015-01-17 11:55:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.


considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it.


0 player interaction stands above negative player interaction such as dumbmode awox.


remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting?

i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting.

Stop responding to him, then you will stop making a fool out of yourself.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#498 - 2015-01-17 11:55:36 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.


Oh, it's definitely not worse than mining. Or hauling.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#499 - 2015-01-17 11:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiyshimin
double post
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#500 - 2015-01-17 11:56:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting?

i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting.


Is it me or you're not even reading today, did something happened? Somebody kicked your cat or smth this morning?
I said "negative player interaction". And awox is, without a doubt, a negative interaction.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.