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High-sec Suicide Gankers—sucess rate, risk, profit? etc...

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Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#1 - 2015-01-17 05:29:02 UTC
If you're a high-sec suicide ganker, what is your success rate? Meaning, what percentage of your attempted ganks end up with your target popping?

Is there any substantial monetary risk to you in engaging in suicide ganking? Clearly, you're going to lose ISK in a ship and outfitting, but other than that?

Do you profit from high-sec suicide ganking? If so, where does it land? (ISK per day/week/month, etc.) And from whence comes the profit, primarily? (haulers, miners, etc...)
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2015-01-17 05:31:49 UTC
I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to this circle jerk, but it might have some funny bits.

Mr Epeen Cool
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2015-01-17 05:53:14 UTC
Not everyone is ISK driven, so there are other ways to profit.

But I agree with Epeen on this. Should be a fun thread.
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#4 - 2015-01-17 06:04:51 UTC
Solo catalyst for popping an UN or ANTI tanked macks or retrievers in like a .6 or a .5 with good skills is around 8mill(t2 cata). You have scout alt for warp in, have them shoot you too so you get a tiny bit of bounty (plus you get some cuz lol each fleet member gets bounty pay) then usually ya bet on 1/2 your mods/guns dropping. So then you loot your wreck and maybe dude had a couple tech2 strip miners drop or something. Safaried a dude once that had 2 ORE 250mill stripminers and 1 dropped but sometimes nothing drops. You usually get atleast a few of your magstabs and guns back. Plus can salvage the t2 barges if ya want


This toon is working on podding shuttles/small frigs and pods at gates. Wow you need a lot more powergrid than i thought to tank gateguns to get 2 shots off with 250 arty in a thrasher... anyways awu4 finishes tomorrow, got shield upgrades 4 and powergrid 5 so should be all fit tomorrow. But dont really make isk doing that just for hopes of popping expensive pods for lulz.

Back in 2010 when you could platinum insure BSs i had t2 large arty on apocalypses and could solo indys for good profit. Havent really done much for isk now. You only need as much to keep buying ships. Just gank for fun/make people cry in real life now.

Some ganks fail if you solo, with higher skills, you sucess rate goes up. But sometimes yo shot just glances that pod and thats just it. Try again in 15.

Tl; dr its at a minimum free. Also if you forward kms to the savior of hisec, code will reimburse you anyways but i dont and still usually make isk ganking miners.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#5 - 2015-01-17 06:12:50 UTC
But ya can get in vexor and gank industrials on the cheap if ya have scanalts and a scoop alt ready. Can definitely make good isk. Did so back in day but really have more isk than i can use so just keep doing whatever for the fun/explosions/tears in game/tears out of game/basically steal peoples happiness and store it deep down ib my empy back heart just for fun and nothing at all.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6 - 2015-01-17 06:14:05 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:

Is there any substantial monetary risk to you in engaging in suicide ganking? Clearly, you're going to lose ISK in a ship and outfitting, but other than that?


Player interactions only contain as much risk as both parties are willing to inflict on one another. That is true in EVE regardless of what you are talking about.

Since the people who are being ganked are by and large mostly afk, the ganker is not at significant risk from them. That is the consequence of choosing to be helpless.

However as a neg ten, as many gankers eventually become, risk is everywhere, as people can shoot at you without consequence.

TL;DR: Ganking, like almost everything else in this game, only has as much risk as people are willing to give them.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#7 - 2015-01-17 06:20:26 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:

Is there any substantial monetary risk to you in engaging in suicide ganking? Clearly, you're going to lose ISK in a ship and outfitting, but other than that?


Player interactions only contain as much risk as both parties are willing to inflict on one another. That is true in EVE regardless of what you are talking about.

Since the people who are being ganked are by and large mostly afk, the ganker is not at significant risk from them. That is the consequence of choosing to be helpless.

However as a neg ten, as many gankers eventually become, risk is everywhere, as people can shoot at you without consequence.

TL;DR: Ganking, like almost everything else in this game, only has as much risk as people are willing to give them.

I did not realize that at -10, anyone could shoot you with impunity. Learn something new every day...
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#8 - 2015-01-17 06:26:50 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:

Is there any substantial monetary risk to you in engaging in suicide ganking? Clearly, you're going to lose ISK in a ship and outfitting, but other than that?


Player interactions only contain as much risk as both parties are willing to inflict on one another. That is true in EVE regardless of what you are talking about.

Since the people who are being ganked are by and large mostly afk, the ganker is not at significant risk from them. That is the consequence of choosing to be helpless.

However as a neg ten, as many gankers eventually become, risk is everywhere, as people can shoot at you without consequence.

TL;DR: Ganking, like almost everything else in this game, only has as much risk as people are willing to give them.

I did not realize that at -10, anyone could shoot you with impunity. Learn something new every day...


Get ready to learn TWO SOMETHINGS THIS DAY.

It happens at -5. Then you are red/valid target to all players and faction npcs

So -10 are DOUBLE LEET BADASSZ
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#9 - 2015-01-17 06:27:00 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:
I did not realize that at -10, anyone could shoot you with impunity. Learn something new every day...

Once you hit -5 you are a free target for anyone.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status
Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#10 - 2015-01-17 06:40:04 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:

Is there any substantial monetary risk to you in engaging in suicide ganking? Clearly, you're going to lose ISK in a ship and outfitting, but other than that?


Player interactions only contain as much risk as both parties are willing to inflict on one another. That is true in EVE regardless of what you are talking about.

Since the people who are being ganked are by and large mostly afk, the ganker is not at significant risk from them. That is the consequence of choosing to be helpless.

However as a neg ten, as many gankers eventually become, risk is everywhere, as people can shoot at you without consequence.

TL;DR: Ganking, like almost everything else in this game, only has as much risk as people are willing to give them.

I did not realize that at -10, anyone could shoot you with impunity. Learn something new every day...


Get ready to learn TWO SOMETHINGS THIS DAY.

It happens at -5. Then you are red/valid target to all players and faction npcs

So -10 are DOUBLE LEET BADASSZ

So, it seems, there should be SOME risk engaging in suicide ganking in high sec once you hit -5.

That brings up another question then... How frequently do other pilots attack you in high sec before you choose and engage your gank target? 90% of the time? 50%? 10%? Rarely?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#11 - 2015-01-17 06:47:44 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:

That brings up another question then... How frequently do other pilots attack you in high sec before you choose and engage your gank target? 90% of the time? 50%? 10%? Rarely?


The faction police will pretty much always be attacking you.

Thanks to that, you have to fly fast and disposable ships. Other players don't often get to attack as a result.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#12 - 2015-01-17 06:58:38 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:

That brings up another question then... How frequently do other pilots attack you in high sec before you choose and engage your gank target? 90% of the time? 50%? 10%? Rarely?

Pretty much zero percent. You are in a pod until you board the ship conveniently dropped right beside the bumped freighter. And only a moron gets caught when flitting around in a pod.

Also because you are in a pod, the police before the gank and Concord after the gank leave you alone. You are immune to NPC aggression.

It's about as risk free as it gets.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#13 - 2015-01-17 06:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruinoso
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:

That brings up another question then... How frequently do other pilots attack you in high sec before you choose and engage your gank target? 90% of the time? 50%? 10%? Rarely?


The faction police will pretty much always be attacking you.

Thanks to that, you have to fly fast and disposable ships. Other players don't often get to attack as a result.

I've seen suicide gankers take their time bumping miners and such in high sec with no Concord in sight. I can't imagine that these pilots were NOT already -5 or lower. How is it, then, that other pilots don't engage them? Doesn't make sense. Maybe at the gates they would take some fire, but clearly no police were chasing them down.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2015-01-17 07:01:14 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:

I've seen suicide gankers take their time bumping miners and such in high sec with no Concord in sight. I can't imagine that these pilots were NOT already -5 or lower. How is it, then, that other pilots don't engage them? Doesn't make sense. Maybe at the gates they would take some fire, but clearly no police were chasing them down.


The character doing the bumping is not a neg ten, and is not a suicide ganker.

Bumping does not trigger gatefire, CONCORD, or anything else. It is not an inherently aggressive action.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#15 - 2015-01-17 07:02:07 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:

That brings up another question then... How frequently do other pilots attack you in high sec before you choose and engage your gank target? 90% of the time? 50%? 10%? Rarely?

Pretty much zero percent. You are in a pod until you board the ship conveniently dropped right beside the bumped freighter. And only a moron gets caught when flitting around in a pod.

Also because you are in a pod, the police before the gank and Concord after the gank leave you alone. You are immune to NPC aggression.

It's about as risk free as it gets.

Mr Epeen Cool

I've never seen a gank occur where a pilot flew up in a pod and boarded a ship placed there for him. They've always flown in with the ship they gank in...
Ruinoso
Silver Talon
#16 - 2015-01-17 07:04:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ruinoso wrote:

I've seen suicide gankers take their time bumping miners and such in high sec with no Concord in sight. I can't imagine that these pilots were NOT already -5 or lower. How is it, then, that other pilots don't engage them? Doesn't make sense. Maybe at the gates they would take some fire, but clearly no police were chasing them down.


The character doing the bumping is not a neg ten, and is not a suicide ganker.

Bumping does not trigger gatefire, CONCORD, or anything else. It is not an inherently aggressive action.

I never thought nor implied that the bumping was a criminal offense. It just hasn't ever seemed that CONCORD interfered with the ganker at all until he'd begun shooting.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#17 - 2015-01-17 07:08:32 UTC
Ruinoso wrote:

I never thought nor implied that the bumping was a criminal offense. It just hasn't ever seemed that CONCORD interfered with the ganker at all until he'd begun shooting.


If it's the same person doing the bumping and the shooting, then it is possible he used sec status tags to raise himself above a level where he can be attacked. They are fairly expensive, but they can be used to get your sec status up after lots of criminal activity.

It's also possible he's just new at ganking, and hasn't lowered his sec status yet.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#18 - 2015-01-17 07:52:33 UTC
Bait thread is bait.





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-01-17 08:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tisiphone Dira
Somebody tried to gank my Deep space transport the other day with a vexor, imagine that, the nerve! So rude. 0% success rate doing that.

If I'm just bouncing between gates in my thrasher, people will try and stop me maybe 20% of the time, but that's misleading. Once I get going the white knights start arriving, it goes from 5% to 100% as the night goes on.

Sucess rate is up to me, I might yolo a flimsy industrial (iteron V, mammoth...) just to test it's tank, make sure it's code compliant, but I know there is only a 50% chance doing that... otherwise it's very high. 90+

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#20 - 2015-01-17 09:30:06 UTC
If you wanna make isk out of it just get your basic tornado and alpha indys / tengus/ ibises carrying plex? Lol

The above say you can use a vexor? Could be..i never tried it myself .

Eithetway make sure you go for stuff that are valued atleast 2x your ship and ship scan them aswell as cargo to determine if you can eve pull it off with the alpha you got.

Imo set your scaning/scooping alt 1 jump off the pipe so that you don't have to multitask when the time to think is short as it is.


Afterwards depending how fast you can scoop the loot and your luck on the drop its quite possible to make some nice iskies

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
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