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Multiple Character Training VS Multiple Accounts
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Dragul Shadus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-01-17 06:53:38 UTC
I really cannot understand the logic of why Multiple Character Training is more expensive than multiple accounts. Its a no brainer to just set-up a new account every time you want an alt.

Sub for an account = £9.99 a month

Adding another training queue to an account = £15.99

So if I wanted to have open all 3 training queues on 1 account it would cost me £41.97.

This would give me 3 characters to train at once.

So for that I could run 4 separate accounts and be 1 alt better off and be £2.01 better of in the pocket.

Surely there should be a discount on training on the same account or at least price match of the sub fee.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#2 - 2015-01-17 07:25:45 UTC
The reason that Multiple Character Training would be chosen over using another account is for creating/training an alt character that doesn't need to continually train and is needed for a specific purpose such as a hauling alt, trading alt, mining alt, planetary interaction alt, etc. These types of characters only need to train for so long and they're done so to have them on a separate account is economically worse, since you have to maintain a second account continuously in order to use the alt.

If you want to have an alt that will continue to train as another main then yes, using a second account is far better, including the fact you can log every account on to have those characters in-game at the same time.

And if one is able to PLEX (purchasing in-game with ISK as opposed to buying from CCP/authorized resellers) then each option costs the same, based on the PLEX market in-game.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-01-17 09:12:44 UTC
Some training of alts only take 2 months.

So, are you willing to keep paying a 2nd sub after 2 months, or is more economic to pay a bit extra for 2 months but then fall back to 1 sub.

Heads up, don't just look at raw numbers as many people do, take into account the longer playing time.

This might cost me more a month, but over the course of a year...it might still be cheaper.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-01-17 10:18:47 UTC
Dragul Shadus wrote:
I really cannot understand the logic of why Multiple Character Training is more expensive than multiple accounts. Its a no brainer to just set-up a new account every time you want an alt.


Not if you only want to train the alt for a couple of months and don't want a permanent second account.
What you may be missing is that it's $20 (or 2 plex) to move a character to a different account (don't know what it is in GBP)

For giving an existing or new alt 1-2 months of training, multi-character is a no-brainer, providing you don't need the two characters logged in at the same time.
Dragul Shadus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-01-18 08:00:52 UTC
Thanks for shedding light on this. It now makes sense. I still think they should at least price match the sub though. At least we had 20 free days. Can't grumble at that. Big smile
Saint John Hawke
Dnari Mining and Manufacturing
#6 - 2015-01-18 19:46:54 UTC
In some cases it may be worthwhile to put the alt on a second account until he has a good base of skills (say able to fly all frigates, or all T1 ships up to battleships, to Mastery Level III) and then move him to an alt slot on your first account.
Kade Takahashi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-01-29 17:54:55 UTC
O_o I don't even see the reason why they need to be charging you to train multiple characters in the first place. It's redic and a money grab imo.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#8 - 2015-01-29 18:00:02 UTC
Kade Takahashi wrote:
O_o I don't even see the reason why they need to be charging you to train multiple characters in the first place. It's redic and a money grab imo.


Is common practice in all subscription based MMOs.

In the past the only way to have multiple characters training was with another subscription. CCP have done everyone a huge favour with Multi Character training as now we can have access to our trained alts without having to pay another recurring subscription.

Whilst still having the option of multiple accounts with multiple characters logged in at the same time.

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Shin'Ryu Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-01-29 18:17:26 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Kade Takahashi wrote:
O_o I don't even see the reason why they need to be charging you to train multiple characters in the first place. It's redic and a money grab imo.


Is common practice in all subscription based MMOs.

In the past the only way to have multiple characters training was with another subscription. CCP have done everyone a huge favour with Multi Character training as now we can have access to our trained alts without having to pay another recurring subscription.

Whilst still having the option of multiple accounts with multiple characters logged in at the same time.


It'd do us even better if they didn't force you to pay for it at all. I've played many MMO's in the last ten or so years... This is the first I ever played that requires you to either halt everything you're doing on one character to do skill training on another... Or pay for it..
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#10 - 2015-01-29 18:37:21 UTC
Shin'Ryu Khan wrote:


It'd do us even better if they didn't force you to pay for it at all. I've played many MMO's in the last ten or so years... This is the first I ever played that requires you to either halt everything you're doing on one character to do skill training on another... Or pay for it..


Nonsense.

Name those many MMOs that you can train multiple characters at the same time with only one subscription.

You see, most MMOs use activity based training, so you can only train the character you are currently using. Eve uses a real-time training which allows you train skills while you sleep, 24hours a day.

Both methods only allow training on one character at a time for each account subscribed.

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Kade Takahashi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-01-29 18:46:09 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Shin'Ryu Khan wrote:


It'd do us even better if they didn't force you to pay for it at all. I've played many MMO's in the last ten or so years... This is the first I ever played that requires you to either halt everything you're doing on one character to do skill training on another... Or pay for it..


Nonsense.

Name those many MMOs that you can train multiple characters at the same time with only one subscription.

You see, most MMOs use activity based training, so you can only train the character you are currently using. Eve uses a real-time training which allows you train skills while you sleep, 24hours a day.

Both methods only allow training on one character at a time for each account subscribed.


It's the real time training that's.. kind of difficult. For example, Shin is my fighter pilot. Nearly 3 million skills, was my only character for a while. Then I created this one to... make money I guess, do mining stuff. Had the free 20 day multitraining thing from Christmas so I got into a Covetor or whatever as my mining barge... O_o however I neglected the whole.. capacitor thing on accident and now out of multicharacter training and broke as hell (I only work for minimal wage, which sucks) and can't afford either a second account nor multitraining and don't make enough ISK for Plex on the market (Which is fine, I don't mind it costs a lot, it's a lot of money irl to buy the stuff).. Anyway It makes **** difficult to train two characters with not enough money in the real world and until I can find myself in a better position for better profit in game... O_o I have a thirty day queue paused to get myself better going on my miner and it just makes playing difficult when I need to be in a better position on my fighter for low-sec stuff with my corp but also need to be in a better position to mine and make a better profit.
Skyla Braveheart
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-01-29 18:48:16 UTC
yeah I kinda agree that having to pay for an alt is kind of..annoying. There are so many different things to do in this game, it would be nice to be able to have at least 1 extra free alt to play around with.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#13 - 2015-01-29 18:52:41 UTC
Kade Takahashi wrote:

It's the real time training that's.. kind of difficult. For example, Shin is my fighter pilot. Nearly 3 million skills, was my only character for a while. Then I created this one to... make money I guess, do mining stuff. Had the free 20 day multitraining thing from Christmas so I got into a Covetor or whatever as my mining barge... O_o however I neglected the whole.. capacitor thing on accident and now out of multicharacter training and broke as hell (I only work for minimal wage, which sucks) and can't afford either a second account nor multitraining and don't make enough ISK for Plex on the market (Which is fine, I don't mind it costs a lot, it's a lot of money irl to buy the stuff).. Anyway It makes **** difficult to train two characters with not enough money in the real world and until I can find myself in a better position for better profit in game... O_o I have a thirty day queue paused to get myself better going on my miner and it just makes playing difficult when I need to be in a better position on my fighter for low-sec stuff with my corp but also need to be in a better position to mine and make a better profit.



I've highlighted where your problem is. Lowsec annoms using your combat character would make you more isk. The scanning skills you need would also be useful for other lowsec activities.

Unless you actually like mining, stop training the miner. Its one of the worst ways to make isk.

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Orlacc
#14 - 2015-01-29 18:58:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Shin'Ryu Khan wrote:


It'd do us even better if they didn't force you to pay for it at all. I've played many MMO's in the last ten or so years... This is the first I ever played that requires you to either halt everything you're doing on one character to do skill training on another... Or pay for it..


Nonsense.

Name those many MMOs that you can train multiple characters at the same time with only one subscription.

You see, most MMOs use activity based training, so you can only train the character you are currently using. Eve uses a real-time training which allows you train skills while you sleep, 24hours a day.

Both methods only allow training on one character at a time for each account subscribed.



This. No other major MMO lets you freely level two toons at once.


And though I would never do it, kudos to those who provide us ore. I rarely if ever shoot miners in WHs.

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Kade Takahashi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-01-29 19:06:31 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Shin'Ryu Khan wrote:


It'd do us even better if they didn't force you to pay for it at all. I've played many MMO's in the last ten or so years... This is the first I ever played that requires you to either halt everything you're doing on one character to do skill training on another... Or pay for it..


Nonsense.

Name those many MMOs that you can train multiple characters at the same time with only one subscription.

You see, most MMOs use activity based training, so you can only train the character you are currently using. Eve uses a real-time training which allows you train skills while you sleep, 24hours a day.

Both methods only allow training on one character at a time for each account subscribed.



This. No other major MMO lets you freely level two toons at once.


And though I would never do it, kudos to those who provide us ore. I rarely if ever shoot miners in WHs.


If you wanna talk free leveling more than one toon there's multiple out there. O_o Like almost a majority of the MMOS. I think this is one of the few that is skill based however. Of the multiple MMOS only this and The Secret World were skill based vs level based. Secret World.. if I recall anyway.. wasn't real time training.. I honestly don't remember now, but either way.. O_o It allowed you to have more than one toon and level their skills as you wished.
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#16 - 2015-01-29 19:14:53 UTC
If it wasn't real-time training, then how could you play and level two toons at once?
Orlacc
#17 - 2015-01-29 19:41:13 UTC
Kade Takahashi wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Shin'Ryu Khan wrote:


It'd do us even better if they didn't force you to pay for it at all. I've played many MMO's in the last ten or so years... This is the first I ever played that requires you to either halt everything you're doing on one character to do skill training on another... Or pay for it..


Nonsense.

Name those many MMOs that you can train multiple characters at the same time with only one subscription.

You see, most MMOs use activity based training, so you can only train the character you are currently using. Eve uses a real-time training which allows you train skills while you sleep, 24hours a day.

Both methods only allow training on one character at a time for each account subscribed.



This. No other major MMO lets you freely level two toons at once.


And though I would never do it, kudos to those who provide us ore. I rarely if ever shoot miners in WHs.


If you wanna talk free leveling more than one toon there's multiple out there. O_o Like almost a majority of the MMOS. I think this is one of the few that is skill based however. Of the multiple MMOS only this and The Secret World were skill based vs level based. Secret World.. if I recall anyway.. wasn't real time training.. I honestly don't remember now, but either way.. O_o It allowed you to have more than one toon and level their skills as you wished.



One more time. No other MMO lets you simultaneously (means at the same time) level two characters for free.

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Orianna Mishi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2015-01-30 06:19:07 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Kade Takahashi wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Shin'Ryu Khan wrote:


It'd do us even better if they didn't force you to pay for it at all. I've played many MMO's in the last ten or so years... This is the first I ever played that requires you to either halt everything you're doing on one character to do skill training on another... Or pay for it..


Nonsense.

Name those many MMOs that you can train multiple characters at the same time with only one subscription.

You see, most MMOs use activity based training, so you can only train the character you are currently using. Eve uses a real-time training which allows you train skills while you sleep, 24hours a day.

Both methods only allow training on one character at a time for each account subscribed.



This. No other major MMO lets you freely level two toons at once.


And though I would never do it, kudos to those who provide us ore. I rarely if ever shoot miners in WHs.


If you wanna talk free leveling more than one toon there's multiple out there. O_o Like almost a majority of the MMOS. I think this is one of the few that is skill based however. Of the multiple MMOS only this and The Secret World were skill based vs level based. Secret World.. if I recall anyway.. wasn't real time training.. I honestly don't remember now, but either way.. O_o It allowed you to have more than one toon and level their skills as you wished.



One more time. No other MMO lets you simultaneously (means at the same time) level two characters for free.


Haven & Hearth does
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#19 - 2015-01-30 07:14:57 UTC
Orianna Mishi wrote:



Haven & Hearth does


Well that is a free to play game, so can't really be compared to a subscription game.

Also skills are increased by in game actions. Which means you need to be playing a character in order to increase skills.

Can you play 2 characters from the same account at the same time in Haven & Hearth?

(It doesn't look like you can to me)

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Orianna Mishi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2015-01-30 08:12:28 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Orianna Mishi wrote:



Haven & Hearth does


Well that is a free to play game, so can't really be compared to a subscription game.

Also skills are increased by in game actions. Which means you need to be playing a character in order to increase skills.

Can you play 2 characters from the same account at the same time in Haven & Hearth?

(It doesn't look like you can to me)


Skills are increased time based much like eve, you have to log in to put curios in to gain LP, much like you log in eve to put skills in the Q

And while you cant play two chars from the same account at the same time (you cant in eve either) you can train as many chars on the same account at the same time as you wish
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