Crime & Punishment

Damn you found our only weakness!

tbh, after you have been playing for a while 10m isn't actually a lot of isk and I considered buying one when I started operating in CODE frequented areas. I had a certain amount of affection for them as well when they first came to prominence.

What swayed me is that around that time James 315 sent out a communication that even permit holders were subject to being targeted by CODE if they exhibited bot aspirant behaviour (not responding fast in enough in local etc), and you could still be ganked because no one should think highsec is ever safe, and the correct response to being ganked was to be grateful and say 'Thankyou' to your ganker. I'm paraphrasing because this is going back a few years now. In other words a permit bought you sweet nothing and cost you space on your bio to boot.

LOL. In C&P that is usually expressed as "If I disagree with how you play I'm going to kill you"

What we had were players buying permits and then going right back to their afk and botting ways. Surely you would expect us to not allow such insincerity. We would be hypocrites indeed if we let someone break the rest of the Code just because they paid a permit fee.

Additionally there were some miners with such little self respect who would put permits in their bios without actually paying for them. I know, I know, the dishonesty and sheer deceitfulness are hard to imagine but remember we are talking about highsec miners so they have strange ideas about what constitutes honor and fair play.

What you are discribing is Agents enforcing the whole New Halaima Code of Conduct. Contrary to bot aspirant propoganda we are not in this for the money. We have a belief and a cause and a Savior. The permit is cheap for a reason. There is no reason NOT to buy one unless one opposes what we stand for. For those people, who we consider supporters of botting and afking, well, they are the enemies of all Eve and they should, and will be, destroyed.

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10M ISK is a waste of money? That is just a rounding error of a fraction of a percent of income for any active Eve player over a month old. If that tiny amount saves just one of your mining vessels, it pays for itself multiple times over.

It just makes good financial sense, and more importantly shows who you side with. The side that embraces emergent gameplay, enforces risk and has fun with the game, or the AFK bot-aspirants doing nothing but watching thier ISK counter climb ever higher?

Why would someone want to deny such quality content from the game?

That also means you can make an ideological statement by NOT buying a permit, and it's free! Those CODE guys won't care since they never look at their ISK counters ...

Of course. And no, an agent isn't going to notice the lack your 10M ISK - that is not even two catalysts. Share purchases and our faith fuel our fun.

Pick a side and have fun playing the game. Just don't come to forums claiming the game is broken when your 200 M ISK exhumer vaporizes out from under you because of your ideology.

Good. You are playing the game. Don't live in fear of some bogeyman like much of the AG channel. Play the game how you like.

The New Order claims all of highsec so if you mine in our space without a permit you may get a visit from our agents. Only you can decide if that risk to you for non-compliance is worth the 10M ISK. Whatever you choose, we are making highsec a more interesting place and actually win in either case. The Code always wins.

The only way you can really "deny us targets" is if you stay always docked up or move out of our jurisdiction. The first option is silly and while I guess we also win there, that really isn't our goal. The second may actually expand your horizons to what Eve is and you should consider trying at least once.

So to summarize your plan to defeat us is to obey the Code in all ways except for purchasing the permit? Sounds like another win for the New Order!

But seriously, you have figured it out. This is just a game and the best way to play is to pay attention and engage with it and others, have fun and be respectful to your fellow players. The New Halaima Code of Conduct is just a document to generate conflict and emergent content in the game - embrace that as you like. And when you get bored of mining solely to make that meaningless ISK counter keep climbing ever upwards, drop by the minerbumping channel and see what life on the other side can be like.

Mining alts? Yes, I have no doubt that some do, some have hauling and industry alts too; as gankers they know the techniques gankers use and who the gankers are, as such they know how to avoid them.


AFK/Bot mining? Extremely doubtful, that's just asking to get ganked; and in the case of botting, banned.

Nah, most Code enforcers are in it for the fun, not ISK. We actually want to play the game, not AFK mine or bot to accumulate ISK for no reason. That said, several of them probably do make and sell mining equipment near where they gank for an income stream, and much of our funding may come from players who mine and want thier competition repressed.

That is the game though. Eve is a beautiful sandbox where we are all competing with each other on multiple different levels. You can influence the sandbox is many ways, some obvious, some not.