EVE General Discussion

but those changes that increased mining ships EHP and made it harder for you to gank caused you to join a group of others to accomplish the gank, instead of doing it yourself in a smartbombing catalyst. I thought forcing others to work together was a good thing?

/sarc

My point was, everyone "has a problem" with things that negatively affect their play style and "doesn't have a problem" with things that don't affect it or make it easier/better.

That is true however Eve should be up there with Counterstrike and LOL and Wow Top Of the List not on the Bottom It Deserves more Views especially for a 10 year game. It Tells you alot about a community.

No it should not if you look at the size of it's playerbase. CS, LOL and WoW are all heaps and bound ahead on those metrics.

As a leader in a group that recruits and accepts new players (this is an alt, don't get all excited), the precautations we take are rather extensive, to the point of being ridiculous. There are numerous layers of protection and security. A very specific recruiting method is used. There are various checks, including api checks, which I hate to have to do, but sadly are a necessity. There are different rules, roles, firewalls, investigations, interviews, promotion requirements, etc. It would probably be easier to get a real life job as a law enforcement officer. This is a game. When things are such that you need to do this, there's a flaw in the mechanics of the game.

This amount of 'red tape' needed is just silly for a game. Did I mention this is a game? Yet it is required due to game mechanics. Accepting new players is really a thankless job. There's no real benefit to us. They don't have the skills , experience or isk to do a whole hell of a lot, but we love this game and want to bring in and help the new guys. For that, we are denigrated at every turn. We are hated for allegedly being carebears. So called pvp'ers seek out our noobs because they are easy pickins', though oddly they dock up when the experienced guys come along.


Will this change help? Maybe it will, but in my experience, awoxers shooting members has never been a big problem in the first place. So if it gets new guys into player corps at the expense of a few guys who did this, I think that's ok. Don't worry 'emergent' players, there will still be theft, betrayal and coups. Heck, maybe you could even try out other aspects of Eve, maybe you will enjoy scamming, mining or pvp.

Honestly, I don't think the change will make much difference for me since I doubt we will relax our layers upon layers upon layers of security, but it sure is a step in the right direction and I'm all for it.


Also, it kind of never made any sense that a corp member could shoot another corp member in high sec, yet could not shoot, for example, someone they set to red but haven't wardecced. I can't shoot the people I hate withougha wardec, yet I can shoot the people that are supposedly my closest allies? It's just something that was dumb and illogical but became a tradition of sorts.

No, I just think those games suck **** and I hate the people who think they are the opitome of the video game art.

But no you are right, only things that appeal to the masses should be allowed to exist.

Tell you what, Ill leave it up to you to decide what I should like and where I should spend my money, k?

Sorry Jenn, but the truth is that without the money of those/us "weak minded" players, no one has a game to play. If the subs from the "burn it all" crowd were enough to sustain Eve and CCP, then nothing would be changing, and yet it is.

No $$$$ No game, it's pretty simple. (and since Iceland's economy gets a big boost from this game, I'm sure even their government wants it making money)

When CCP changes my style (like they did with -10s buying sec), I have to get over it, and so will those who awox. The reason for the change is valid, without corps picking up the new players, they leave. With awoxing being a "thing", corps don't pick up the new players. That is CCP's analysis, and I can't fault them.

You just described the things that make EVE a great and different game.
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Apparently, many of you think EVE would be better if it were easier to just join up and go stab things. I don't.

Because the fundemental core of the game would have to be so utterly changed as to make it not a game Id want to play, and therefore pay for?

Democracy! Except in the game market, you buy your right to vote so it's more like: Capitalism!!!

That way I will entirely agree with you. Your wallet is your vote in MMOs.