Ships & Modules

Since the Huginn has switched over from having a mixed weapon system with bonused missiles and guns to being a gun only boat, I wanted to check if anyone else thought that the lack of a powergrid boost during the patch is problematic for the hull.

I ask because missiles use significantly less powergrid than guns do, but since there was no powergrid boost to the huginn when the weapons system switched, the overall powergrid use of the weapons has increased. This makes the ship even more difficult to fit without rcu's or rigs to jack up the grid.

With the switch to missiles the rapier now has tons of grid to work with. A 100mn ab is an easy thing to shoehorn onto your rapier if that is your thing. But want a full rack of t2 arty on your huginn to take advantage of the last 20 km worth of range on your 40 km web? Good luck.

Would have thought that a Combat Recon would have some Combat capability. The Lachesis can get some decent dps at range with rails.

Fitting t2 650mm arty and a t2 HML leaves only 130 grid on the ship: Which is not enough to fit a 10mn MWD (including COSMOS).

Fitting just t2 720mm arty and a t2 HML does not leave enough grid on the hull period. About 49pg over the max.

This is with max skills and absolutely nothing else fit onto the hull.


I can understand some trade off between gank or tank, but with the tank and dps of the rapier, which can take full advantage of the web range, vs what you are getting in the falloff with autocannons in a huginn, the minmatar 'combat' recon has some issues. It was already somewhat difficult to fit pre-proteus, but with the change to the weapon hardpoints and no grid to compensate for the change, it seems a bit silly imo.

Huginn has comically bad PG. All level 5s and can't fit 4x 720mm II arty + 10MN MWD and nothing else. 650s fit easily. But don't mind the 40% reduction in volley and dps.

most minmatar ships can't arty without several fitting mods.

If its strictly EWAR then why have combat bonuses? Unless... CCP wanted them to do some dps mixed with EWAR. COMBAT Recon.. never would have thought it was in the name.

people will fly huginns because people already fly lokis to do a similar job.

Long webs are one of the only ways to hold down oversized AB cruisers of which there are many.

That's because with 4x 720s you can't even fit an MWD. Almost no PG left. 650s are terrible and do far less alpha and dps than 720s.

Now, if you fit 425mm ACs you can get 650dps using Hail and a decent active shield tank (6 mids). But who wants to get that close when you've got a webifier range bonus? Long range webs beg for arty fits.

Huginn needed a falloff bonus to become a proper AC ship as it otherwise will be unable to project damage.