Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Tbh I feel ccp are not going to have it so you can't even shoot you corpmates in highsec. It will likley come in the form of if you want to shoot him there will be concequences to your actions such as suspect timers or even concord......

Still I think it's a bad decision to remove AWOXing as it is part of what makes EVE eve

It is the intention, and it's fine.

Corps need more way to protect themselves from awoxing. being paranoid and not letting members in until you know their mother, dog and medical records is not fun.

It especially does not retain new players.

There is ways to grief in EVE, and it's fine. Want to gank someone? Go for it. There is a simple counter to it: Tank your ship and don#t transport to many goods.

Shooting a corp member in space: Not fun, as one can not shield himself against it. there is no counter, except playing alone. Playing alone isn't fun, so people leave.


People need to be able to play together without getting wrecked by a single awoxer 8at least in high sec - if you want to shoot corp mates in low/null, do it, but you can do that after this change anyways).


Awoxing shouldn#t be removed - at least not entirely. But there are forms of awoxing that have gotten way out of control. everything needs to have a counter, and this is a counter against one form of awoxing. If people don't play together, they have little reason to stay in the game.

The over-abundance of awoxing and scamming is what hinders EVE, not what brings it forward.


If you enter low or null sec, you get a warning that it's dangerous. You can balance risk vs. reward. You doN#t need to go there if you doN#t want the risk, and if you go there you can use scouts and prepare yourself against getting killed. Use a covops or ceptor to stay out of trouble, for example.

But getting in a corp to play together with someone else shoud not pose an immediate risk to you. It just drives ppl. away. I know of many ppl who really like EVE, but just want to be able to play together with others, and don't want all that paranoid crap. They all have no problem with risk and wouldn#t mind getting blown up in low or null. But if you can#t even get into a high sec corp to get to know others and find ppl to play with without alway thinking about how you could loose your ship to the corpmate that nearby any moment, then it's not fun anymore, it just drags down.

I don#t say that AWOXing should be impossible. If you give someone access to your corp wallet and he empties it: Your fault. But basic player interaction inside a corp should be possible without any immediate danger.

Currently, it is safer to stay in an NPC corp then tpo go into a player corp. That discourages teamplay. Discouraging teamplay has never been healthy for an MMO, ever.

it's good thing for hi sec, corps will be much more open for people

Lol. The counter to awoxing is to impose artificial restraints on the game is it? ha ha. Not kill the awoxer back?


wow....

Good time to learn.

Then it'd be appreciated if you didnt go round telling people they cant post in a thread when you are the one unwilling to bring anything to the table.

k bye

@afkalt

already said, you dont need to make AWOXing a concordable offense to get rid of risk free RR.

not to mention thats not at all why its being removed.



This is not a good thing. They will be much more open to people because theres no reason to not grab as many members as possible and treat them like cash cows.

This could have been adequately addressed by corp-lites. But now because corps will be spammed by everyone and their alts, actual good corps that are active and engage their members will be even harder to find.


to steal a word from nevyn: This change makes corps cheap!

You can train up a dangerous stratios pilot in about a fortnight/three weeks (cant remember exactly*), and thats massive overkill.


@Daichi Yamato I'm aware of that, but currently the notion of fighting back is laughable. Plus it would be a nightmare logistically for non awoxing to start inheriting flags all over the place in the event you RR someone who accidentally shot a corpmate/webbed a buddy into warp.


I still maintain nothing of value was lost - but something of value (newbs being ok to enter corps) was gained. Idiots will still die, people will still find interesting ways to kill people.


It's being removed because a pretty small, niche plyer group were making GOOD player corp access all but impossible for new starts. We dont want new starts staying in NPC corps and we dont want new starts going to crappy corps.



* <13 days for the minimums for a full neut stratios with geckos. Plenty to trainwreck unsuspecting stuff in highsec.

We'll have to agree to disagree - tax evasion is best served as a one man corp thing anyway. I still disagree with consequences and responsibility - a clean alt can be lethal in a little over a fortnight. How can you see that coming? Why should someone trying to give a home to a new start be nailed to the wall for it?

It's stupid. The only sensible option for risk mitigation is to NOT allow them in, ever. It's a straight up shutout to new guys.

Note that prolific, same toon gankers are of course easy to spot but that fact it is literally impossible to catch a fresh rolled one....where's the reward to that risk?

There are many ways dumb players will still get killed - duels, baited into fullspawned mission with tackle at 0, offering reps that suddenly stop as the room is triggered...loads of ways to get people killed. Just needs a little more creativity and allows attentive players a fighting chance at stopping it instead of a sucker punch they could literally never have seen coming.

To turn one of CCP's points back on itself,

Why are people accepting new players if the risks arent worth the rewards?

They arent being shut out.

lol, do you have any idea to whom you are talking? Livonian's game is so far above yours that you have to take a space elevator into orbit to even catch a glimpse of him.

I am sad to see awoxing go. It has been an integral part of the Eve-O universe for so long its hard to imagine the game without it. But I understand why CCP is making this decision. Clearly they want to increase new player retention. And getting your **** awoxed on day 12 doesn't typically help with that.