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N'yello...putting together a FW roundup article for all factions.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#21 - 2015-01-15 21:26:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Christine Peeveepeeski
Veskrashen wrote:
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
FW is just cycles of who can be arsed the most to plex and fight for plexes. Sometimes, if you are lucky, each side is arsed at the same time and fights happen.

Or, yanno, you could look at the Cal/Gal warzone instead, where major PvP corporations regularly decide to go kick down the other side's front door with the intent of causing as much carnage as possible until one side just flat gives up.

But hey, continue to project your limited experience in a toxic warzone to the entirety of FW as a whole.


Lol

This seeems a bit pot calling the kettle black. Our warzone is not toxic. I may be on occasion ;)

I suppose though both warzones have their superiority complex, I am not going to debate that with you but the cycles of ebb and flow can not be ignored and ultimately, over a long enough length of time the only thing that really changes are the names of the actors, the play remains the same. I could have worded it better mind you.

However sure, you pop that 'our warzone is better than yours' diatribe.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#22 - 2015-01-15 21:30:04 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
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Don't know what the big deal is. You stated that fights happen when both sides decide to engage. And that's true of everything in Eve - unless you think a "fight" is sitting on the Nourv/Arnon gate in Tama/Adirain ganking noobs all day.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#23 - 2015-01-15 21:37:07 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
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Don't know what the big deal is. You stated that fights happen when both sides decide to engage. And that's true of everything in Eve - unless you think a "fight" is sitting on the Nourv/Arnon gate in Tama/Adirain ganking noobs all day.


No big deal X-Gal, I was defending my warzones honour at not being toxic, plenty of fun to be had for all and no, I do not think any of those things are fights XD
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#24 - 2015-01-16 05:25:42 UTC
According to the Gallente:

'Hasmijaala Offensive Job Done!'
'Op success! Even though we didn't take it'



(ROFL - Really guys - Id hate to see what happens when an op isn't sucessful)


Yep - They quit.


Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Time to amend the article on TheMittani.com Gavin.





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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#25 - 2015-01-16 06:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
According to church of awesome:

"Nisuwa isnt an offensive so we cant fail"
"We plex throughout the AU TZ but POS up whenever certain people log on"

As far as quitting is concerned, your corp doesnt have the credibility to point fingers at others :)
Setting the bar low to avoid failure is a good move.

Interesting how cal mil currently hold 1/3 of the warzone but some feel as though they are winning lol.

Wonder how much more progress cal mil will make as and when amarr drop out of high tiers.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#26 - 2015-01-16 08:28:28 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
According to church of awesome:

"Nisuwa isnt an offensive so we cant fail"
"We plex throughout the AU TZ but POS up whenever certain people log on"

As far as quitting is concerned, your corp doesnt have the credibility to point fingers at others :)
Setting the bar low to avoid failure is a good move.

Interesting how cal mil currently hold 1/3 of the warzone but some feel as though they are winning lol.

Wonder how much more progress cal mil will make as and when amarr drop out of high tiers.



So much anger.


Don't forget we are here for you man if you ever need to talk about your issues.



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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#27 - 2015-01-16 08:51:03 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

So much anger.


Don't forget we are here for you man if you ever need to talk about your issues.





Seems like a random comment, perhaps you are responding to someone else.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#28 - 2015-01-16 09:20:51 UTC
Comment in Mittani Article wrote:
I mean two to three people supplying 4-6 plex for the alliance gives us all PLENTY of ships to last for quite a few days.(and that's just talking about "out of game" isk streams.)
Definite operation success. We made 2-3 people pay $60-$90 to get a win.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-01-16 13:52:37 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
According to church of awesome:

"Nisuwa isnt an offensive so we cant fail"
"We plex throughout the AU TZ but POS up whenever certain people log on"

As far as quitting is concerned, your corp doesnt have the credibility to point fingers at others :)
Setting the bar low to avoid failure is a good move.

Interesting how cal mil currently hold 1/3 of the warzone but some feel as though they are winning lol.

Wonder how much more progress cal mil will make as and when amarr drop out of high tiers.



Crossy, Crossy, Crossy. (Mind if I call you Crossy? Seems quite appropriate.)
It's a game brother - an activity that one engages in for entertainment.
It appears from the outside looking in that you don't seem to be entertained right now my friend.
As a concerned Citizen of the State, I recommend that you take a vacation. Doesn't have to be far or for long - I hear Notoras is nice at this time of the year. Lol

Nice write up Gavin - would read again.
Nalena Linova
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-01-16 15:35:41 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
While ive not been active in has, the article points out one glaring difference in style.

In my experience when a neutral gang arrives our side wants to fight it, your side wants to blue it. And in the event they dont blue you and fight you anyway you accuse us of bluing with them lol.

Personally, id rather blue with squids than let some random abso gang wade in for effortless risk free pvp.


While I was only one FC of many defending Hasm, my fleet engaged neutrals several times both with and without Gallente help.

Two memorable examples:

1) https://zkillboard.com/kill/43801778/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/43801510/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/43801478/

2) https://zkillboard.com/kill/43878112/

However, after days of being headshot repeatedly upon entering grid by your guys, I and some of the other calmil FCs were pretty reluctant to honour gentleman's agreements such as temporary blue vs neutrals.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#31 - 2015-01-16 16:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Silverbackyererse
Crossy, Crossy, Crossy. (Mind if I call you Crossy? Seems quite appropriate.)
It's a game brother - an activity that one engages in for [u wrote:
entertainment[/u].
It appears from the outside looking in that you don't seem to be entertained right now my friend.
As a concerned Citizen of the State, I recommend that you take a vacation. Doesn't have to be far or for long - I hear Notoras is nice at this time of the year. Lol

Nice write up Gavin - would read again.


Gawd, turn down someones constant begging for 1v1s and suddenly you arnt enjoying the game lol.

Nalena Linova wrote:

However, after days of being headshot repeatedly upon entering grid by your guys, I and some of the other calmil FCs were pretty reluctant to honour gentleman's agreements such as temporary blue vs neutrals.


In smaller scale pvp its important that a gang develops a great many backup target callers. This is what helps develop the next wave of FCs. Main FC for these running battles should not be solely relied on for anything other than overall tactics/strategy. The idea that people shouldnt headshot for some reason seems pretty dumb to me lol.
Nalena Linova
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-01-16 16:21:19 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


In smaller scale pvp its important that a gang develops a great many backup target callers. This is what helps develop the next wave of FCs. Main FC for these running battles should not be solely relied on for anything other than overall tactics/strategy. The idea that people shouldnt headshot for some reason seems pretty dumb to me lol.


Agreed, and that's exactly what we did, as evidenced by our victory. However my point was that as an FC during a siege the kind of niceties afforded to the enemy, such as not headshotting or temp blue to kill neutrals are usually dropped on all sides.

I would also like to point out that your fleets were just as eager to leverage neutrals to your own advantage as we were. For example, on the 14th an EVE uni talwar fleet engaged us twice, closely followed by the gal fleet both times. I doubt your guys actually arranged to team up with IVY, but they were still prepared to take advantage of their presence.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#33 - 2015-01-16 16:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Nalena Linova wrote:
I doubt your guys actually arranged to team up with IVY, but they were still prepared to take advantage of their presence.


Well at least weve made progress, many cal mil stalwarts would swear blind that gallente are blue with anyone that attacks them. As for taking advantage of them, i ail to see what the problem is and should be expected.

When i talk about temp blue im not suggesting that people blue for a couple of raxes, the odd strat or even a talwar ganglol. Just for the larger t2/t3/faction blobs fielded by the guys around who just roll in for a risk free three way.
Nalena Linova
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-01-16 16:56:26 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
When i talk about temp blue im not suggesting that people blue for a couple of raxes, the odd strat or even a talwar ganglol. Just for the larger t2/t3/faction blobs fielded by the guys around who just roll in for a risk free three way.


Yea, I agree with you about the big pirate groups in the warzone. However, I'm sure you can appreciate its a little more difficult to bring yourself not to look for any advantage when you're defending your home.

Putting partisanship aside for a moment, last week was a blast and both sides fought really well. I'm looking forward to what the next few months bring.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-01-16 17:49:46 UTC
Nalena Linova wrote:
Putting partisanship aside for a moment, last week was a blast and both sides fought really well. I'm looking forward to what the next few months bring.

Yup, it was definitely a blast. If we'd been able to keep up the momentum through the AUTZ into EUTZ, it might have played out very very differently.

CalMil - TEMPLIS especially, but several other groups as well - are doing FAR better than we've seen in a very long time, and that makes us rather pleased to see. A lot of us would have preferred to see you folks stick it out when we were grinding down the WZ, but we do understand the need to throw in the towel when you're not going to be able to hold.

Folks made a similar calculation in Hasmijaala - you guys were better prepared than we gave you credit for, and we weren't able to make the same kind of gains we needed to in the timeframe we needed to. Well done.

We look forward to seeing what develops in the west. You guys definitely took advantage of the situation, that's for sure.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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