EVE General Discussion

You realise they're not removing it, but making it into the normal crimewatch mechanics, right? At least that is the global assumption.

If you think that stops people dying, I suggest you autopilot a freighter around for a while

Actually it's pretty accurate. That's why there's calls to HTFU and statements that EVE isn't for everyone coming out all the time. The thing is for noobies it's doubly true. Since most of the "worst" behaviour occurs in highsec where the gankers and awoxers and scammers can be safe, newbies are thrown right into it. It's well known that what constitutes griefing in other games is allowed in EVE, and that tear collection is a common thing, and many people claim that it's that freedom which makes EVE what it is. The question comes down to whether CCP want to continue with that being the way EVE is portrayed, or if they want to grow a more diverse playerbase. At the end of the day it's their choice and I trust them to do what they need to to keep the game running.

Are you implying that making them not even subscribe in the first place, or unsubbing because of awox is better solution than improving the PVE side, or working on other methods to encourage people to experience other areas of New Eden?

Yes, I think it would be great to allow new players to start also in pirate NPC corps in lowsec. I was surprised that this was not an option when I started EVE.

No, I'm implying that you have one thing that you know works(player interaction and PvP content), and one thing that you know does not work(everything else).

And putting way more emphasis on the thing that you know does not work, at the expense of the thing that does... is ludicrous.

I'm implying that EVE should play to it's strengths.

Except you have a warped view of what those strengths are. PVE is a core part of the game and there are thousands of players who PVE all the time and also don't quit. And to be quite honest, since more players join seeking PVE then leave disappointed, playing to their strength would be improving PVE to the point that people don;t leave disappointed.

You're butting your head up against "conventional wisdom" that's just as wrong in real life as it is here. The truth is, human beings are the worse people at ask about the human condition lol. we need some martians to come help.

CCP heres all this complaining about stuff, and they act on it, making the business mistake of listening to the wrong customers. Wal-mart did that and lost a little bit of money.


CCp is doing the same thing and now wondering why a game that was steadily growing for 10 years when it was 'cold, harsh and unfriendly' some how stopped growing when they added safeties, improved crime watch and pop ups that prevent you from stubbing your toes....

Except we're not free to do as we wish. We are free to work within the parameters set by CCP. If they choose to change those parameters, that's perfectly fine.

No, it wouldn't kill EVE. There are many veteran players who would be happy with a more diverse playerbase. Just because you wouldn't like it doesn't suddenly mean the game would stop being EVE, it simply wouldn't fit your expectations.

And how do you know that "more diverse" type wouldn't play longer than a year? That's purely based on the current iteration of the game where "more diverse" types don't like it. If it did appeal to them, of course they would stay longer. Your playstyle isn't the be all and end all of EVE. What you think is absolutely irrelevant if CCP choose to go in a different direction. They've shown that they are not afraid of losing a handful of bittervets if it brings a big enough benefit, and if they change something you don;t like and you ragequit, they won't care.

That said, I don't believe anything would make most bittervets leave. People always talk about it being the end of EVE and older players leaving in swathes, but even if they went full WoW, I doubt many of them would really quit. They'd just sit around for eternity whining about each and every change... Oh wait, that's already what happens.

You're working from the false assumption that the "player interaction and PVP" that currently takes place in hisec is the powerhouse driving this game. It's precisely one of those things that does not work, and this step is one way to towards fixing it.

Getting suddenly ganked by a corpmate, or random bunch of catalysts doesn't make a hisec bear enamoured with EVE's PVP content. It's not a positive experience, like losing a good fight can be. Or knowingly taking risks, and sometimes coming short.

You must be new, I've been around long enough to watch people tick off core players enough to get them to quit several times now. It is the core players who keep the game going, it was ccp ignoring core players (such as going for the 'space barbie' types in Incarna) that almost lost EVE.

It's funny how the "more diverse playerbase" types think they'd just love it if more people were playing EVE. They probably think turning an expensive world class Steak House into a McDonalds is a good idea too.