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Leaving the field without your drones. A non-automated solution.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#21 - 2015-01-16 13:07:34 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:


Oh, OK fair enough.

Then NO, because auto correcting your forgetfulness would get rid of my ability to collect muh victory drones.



Well, this is one of those quality of life features that CCP does like to put into the game to make it a more enjoyable experience for people.

I'm largely speaking about PvE, and yes simply forgetting them. I do this enough, but always remember soon after (like during warp or once I get to station) and then have to go back to get them. It's just aggravating. Occasionally I've entirely forgotten them prior to warping to station and logging off.

So the question is, who does CCP want to please more. Those who forget their valuable drones, when a simple reminder (tone) would alleviate that (which an advanced spaceship is likely to give you), or those who profit from someone forgetting their drones because their supremely advanced spaceship couldn't remind them that they still have drones deployed before they warp away. By-the-way, most people will remember them prior to your ever finding them (in a PvE environment).

As for PvP, it's not going to matter if someone is in a get out of dodge situation and gets a tone reminding them of deployed drones. They are going to get out of dodge regardless.


Maybe you could tie a string around your finger or stick a pen in your eye while playing eve to keep you from forgetting your drones.

If I were CCP I would please Serendipity Lost over FoxFire Ayderan. Based on your premise the odds are you'll forget that you made this post anyway.

Seriously - 'I'm forgetful during PVE' doesn't seem to have enough "wooosh" behind it to change the game. As a pvp guy I really don't want to hear a FoxFire CantRememberShit beep every time I have to pull my guys out of a fight. I have enough going on. Just remember your drones and quit labelling your personal memorey shortcoming as a 'quality of life issue'.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#22 - 2015-01-16 13:11:40 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
How many drones does a person have to forget before they consider that maybe it's time to work on a new warp-out routine that will prevent further drone loss? I mean, why should CCP do anything about solving your problem if you aren't willing to do anything about solving it either?



Personal accoutability was banned in the late 1990s. You didn't get the memo??
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-01-16 13:14:25 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Based on your premise the odds are you'll forget that you made this post anyway.
Super-LOL.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#24 - 2015-01-16 14:27:04 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
I should also add the obligatory "EVE has sound??" quote.

hint: any player worth their salt turns off sounds so they are not bothered by a plethora of other "tones" and ringings that happen for other reasons. Plus, in-game sounds get in the way of voice chatting with other players.

The wormhole activation sounds and the warp in/out sounds are important intel tools that should not be dismissed. If you ever had a scout watching a WH you'd know that.

And you know, EVEs sound is customizable. I have disabled almost everything except those WH and warp sounds. There is no need to kill all sound alltogether.

Besides, EVE has beautiful sound and music once you actually listen ;)
Onyxa Lundra
United Operations 101
#25 - 2015-01-16 14:37:47 UTC
I think it will be easyer that when u start warp drones automaticaly begin returning to drone bay.If it succes or not depends just on how far they are,how fast they fly vs how fast u can warp.

So if u dieing in mission in frigate and click warp,drones began to return but u warp out faster then they can reach you.

But when u clean mission and loot the wreck in ur fatty big ship,then click warp.Thats 100% sure they can reach u in time.(they shall orbit u after fight anyway)
FoxFire Ayderan
#26 - 2015-01-16 18:01:16 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I mean, why should CCP do anything about solving your problem if you aren't willing to do anything about solving it either?


Because CCP are nice people and they like their players. And they understand often times, it's the little things that count.

Smile
FoxFire Ayderan
#27 - 2015-01-16 18:22:34 UTC
Onyxa Lundra wrote:
I think it will be easyer that when u start warp drones automaticaly begin returning to drone bay.If it succes or not depends just on how far they are,how fast they fly vs how fast u can warp.

So if u dieing in mission in frigate and click warp,drones began to return but u warp out faster then they can reach you.


Not a bad idea as well.

Speaking of drones, I'd like to set them to not orbit me but sit stationary near my ship. I think that'd be even cooler than the orbiting. (Well except to the people - who troll F&I - that hate making EVE cooler. P ) Perhaps I'll make a new post.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#28 - 2015-01-16 18:38:53 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Onyxa Lundra wrote:
I think it will be easyer that when u start warp drones automaticaly begin returning to drone bay.If it succes or not depends just on how far they are,how fast they fly vs how fast u can warp.

So if u dieing in mission in frigate and click warp,drones began to return but u warp out faster then they can reach you.


Not a bad idea as well.

Speaking of drones, I'd like to set them to not orbit me but sit stationary near my ship. I think that'd be even cooler than the orbiting. (Well except to the people - who troll F&I - that hate making EVE cooler. P ) Perhaps I'll make a new post.




Disagreeing isn't the same as trolling. Did you try my 'put a pen in your eye' trick to see if that keeps you from forgetting? What do you do when your mother doesn't cut your sammich in half at lunch time? I have so many questions for you, I just don't know where to begin.

You're drone beep thing will make your play cooler. Your beep idea will add just one more thing that annoys the playing of my game. I guess it's your lack of empathy that is most disturbing, but then again, when one is at the center of the universe... what purpose would empathy server?
FoxFire Ayderan
#29 - 2015-01-16 18:49:08 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Did you try my 'put a pen in your eye' trick to see if that keeps you from forgetting?

I did that. It didn't work. And it kind of hurt. Sad

Serendipity Lost wrote:

What do you do when your mother doesn't cut your sammich in half at lunch time? I have so many questions for you, I just don't know where to begin.

What are you talking about? I thought sandwiches naturally came in four little squares. Mommy 'cuts' them? Also... what is 'cut'? Is that like when you get a boo-boo?

I too have many questions. Lol


Serendipity Lost wrote:

You're drone beep thing will make your play cooler. Your beep idea will add just one more thing that annoys the playing of my game. I guess it's your lack of empathy that is most disturbing, but then again, when one is at the center of the universe... what purpose would empathy server?

Now when did I say this reminder tone would be mandatory? Like with most such changes or additions to the game, I believe in there being 'options'. Surely if they program this in,they can also program in a checkbox to choose whether it's on or off.
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-01-16 19:04:36 UTC
I love drones, they're probably my go-to weapon for dps in the game. I love your drones because you don't bind your keys and i get to scoop them. I also love drones because I have gotten in fights where my enemies killed my all drones, and i just scooped the drones of the ones i killed or chased off and had my satisfaction in beating them, doubly so for doing it with their own weapons.

Now if the game wiped your bum for you by auto scooping your drones, it would also deny me access to your weapons as you "tactically reposition yourself" by running away. Why would I support this?

Respect and remember your minions.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Iain Cariaba
#31 - 2015-01-16 20:38:15 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
You're drone beep thing will make your play cooler. Your beep idea will add just one more thing that annoys the playing of my game. I guess it's your lack of empathy that is most disturbing, but then again, when one is at the center of the universe... what purpose would empathy server?

Now when did I say this reminder tone would be mandatory? Like with most such changes or additions to the game, I believe in there being 'options'. Surely if they program this in,they can also program in a checkbox to choose whether it's on or off.

So I either get annoyed by the beep you need because you have CRS, or I get annoyed by having to go turn off this beep on all my toons, across my multiple accounts, across multiple computers I play EvE on, all because you have CRS.

Here's a better idea, learn to remember ****.
FoxFire Ayderan
#32 - 2015-01-16 21:11:57 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:


Here's a better idea, learn to remember ****.


This is a light-years more advanced civilization than our own. Such a reminder tone would be the least of the capabilities incorporated into our ships.

This may come as a big surprise to all of you nay-sayers questioning my mental acuity, but it's actually been AGES since I've ever left any drones behind. (Despite my allusion to doing so). It was certainly a much greater problem when I was a newer player. The last couple times I've almost warped away without my drones, I realized in enough time to stop the warp sequence and retrieve them.

What spurred my idea post was the last time I did nearly forget and recalling how that was a big frustration and headache when I was new to the game, before it became something that was more second-nature.

I'm sure there are those who do still accidentally leave drones behind, and it's certainly a problem among newer players for who CCP has a vested interest in reducing the frustration of (despite their competing desire to please wicked-vets who like to prey on the inexperience and misfortunes of noobs).

I suspect in CCP's eyes, reducing player frustration (and particularly new player frustration) trumps the joy you may infrequently have at finding abandoned drones.

Iain Cariaba
#33 - 2015-01-16 21:20:39 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:


Here's a better idea, learn to remember ****.


This is a light-years more advanced civilization than our own. Such a reminder tone would be the least of the capabilities incorporated into our ships.

This may come as a big surprise to all of you nay-sayers questioning my mental acuity, but it's actually been AGES since I've ever left any drones behind. (Despite my allusion to doing so). It was certainly a much greater problem when I was a newer player. The last couple times I've almost warped away without my drones, I realized in enough time to stop the warp sequence and retrieve them.

What spurred my idea post was the last time I did nearly forget and recalling how that was a big frustration and headache when I was new to the game, before it became something that was more second-nature.

I'm sure there are those who do still accidentally leave drones behind, and it's certainly a problem among newer players for who CCP has a vested interest in reducing the frustration of (despite their competing desire to please wicked-vets who like to prey on the inexperience and misfortunes of noobs).

I suspect in CCP's eyes, reducing player frustration (and particularly new player frustration) trumps the joy you may infrequently have at finding abandoned drones.


Ahh, we've finally gotten to the stage where you claim that this isn't a problem for you, but you want this for the newbies...

Denial and bargaining at once, as is typical in this stage of the process. Soon will come the acceptance that you've come up with a bad idea, and this thread can finally die.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#34 - 2015-01-16 21:35:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:


Here's a better idea, learn to remember ****.
This is a light-years more advanced civilization than our own. Such a reminder tone would be the least of the capabilities incorporated into our ships.


Capsuleer training is indescribably rigorous and beyond demanding; less than 1% of applicants get into the training program and less than 1% of those accepted applicants actually get through the whole process of education and psychological conditioning. Of those, many don't take the required final step of giving up their original bodies via euthanasia and becoming clones. With all those "1% of 1%" scenarios, you'd think that the people who do become pod-pilots would have the memory function required to do something as basic as recalling their drones.

I have my copy of EVE: Source here on the desk and all the chronicles, short stories and scientific articles right in my EVE bookmarks; would you like to continue attempting to use lore as a justification for your pants-on-head ridiculous idea?
FoxFire Ayderan
#35 - 2015-01-16 21:35:42 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Ahh, we've finally gotten to the stage where you claim that this isn't a problem for you, but you want this for the newbies...

Denial and bargaining at once, as is typical in this stage of the process. Soon will come the acceptance that you've come up with a bad idea, and this thread can finally die.


Well I couldn't care less what you think. Let's just say I forget my drones EVERY time I launch them. Often immediately after I've launched them. Does that make you feel better? Roll

However the point still stands and is entirely valid. If this reduces player frustration (which it would), at the expense of your occasionally benefiting from someone accidentally leaving drones behind, CCP will consider it a valuable addition to the game. I'm not here to convince you that it would be, but rather CCP.

If they think it makes sense and would add value to the game, particularly for a key audience (new players they wish to retain), while having minimal impact on existing players enjoyment (as I believe this would despite your protestations), then they will wish to implement it.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#36 - 2015-01-16 21:39:21 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
I should also add the obligatory "EVE has sound??" quote.

hint: any player worth their salt turns off sounds so they are not bothered by a plethora of other "tones" and ringings that happen for other reasons. Plus, in-game sounds get in the way of voice chatting with other players.


I must condemn this assertion. The wormhole jump sound and the warp arrival sounds are immensely useful tools for maintaining situational awareness.

As are damage alarms for high info load people liks fcs and other leadershipy peoplem

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#37 - 2015-01-16 21:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Ahh, we've finally gotten to the stage where you claim that this isn't a problem for you, but you want this for the newbies...

Denial and bargaining at once, as is typical in this stage of the process. Soon will come the acceptance that you've come up with a bad idea, and this thread can finally die.


Well I couldn't care less what you think. Let's just say I forget my drones EVERY time I launch them. Often immediately after I've launched them. Does that make you feel better? Roll

However the point still stands and is entirely valid. If this reduces player frustration (which it would), at the expense of your occasionally benefiting from someone accidentally leaving drones behind, CCP will consider it a valuable addition to the game. I'm not here to convince you that it would be, but rather CCP.

If they think it makes sense and would add value to the game, particularly for a key audience (new players they wish to retain), while having minimal impact on existing players enjoyment (as I believe this would despite your protestations), then they will wish to implement it.



The amount of player frustration such a change would reduce and the degree to which it would be a quality of life increase are not nearly enough to justify the exponentially more significant amount of dev time that would be required. Game development of any kind is not free and the ROI is simply not there in this case. HTFU and learn to recall your drones. It's not an unreasonable situation.

At this point I must insist you study this guide and learn how to stop posting so badly.
FoxFire Ayderan
#38 - 2015-01-16 21:41:22 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
... would you like to continue attempting to use lore as a justification for your pants-on-head ridiculous idea?



If you're going to troll, try not to be so blatantly obvious about it.

Lol
FoxFire Ayderan
#39 - 2015-01-16 21:45:35 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Game development of any kind is not free and the ROI is simply not there in this case. HTFU and learn to recall your drones. It's not an unreasonable situation.

At this point I must insist you study this guide and learn how to stop posting so badly.


I'm sure they appreciate your expert advice regarding it, but I think we can leave CCP to decide on the value and ROI of implementing any change or new functionality to their game.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#40 - 2015-01-16 21:46:39 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Game development of any kind is not free and the ROI is simply not there in this case. HTFU and learn to recall your drones. It's not an unreasonable situation.

At this point I must insist you study this guide and learn how to stop posting so badly.


I'm sure they appreciate your expert advice regarding it, but I think we can leave CCP to decide on the value and ROI of implementing any change or new functionality to their game.

So it's okay when you make decisions about what CCP will say or do, but anyone else should leave it to CCP.

FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Well I couldn't care less what you think.

...and yet you posted here in F&I.

ISD, I think we've had enough.
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