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Awoxing is no more

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#41 - 2015-01-16 03:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Shailagh wrote:


Wtf happened to making bears work to AVOID BEING KILLED.

This is the pinnacle question... when did eve and ccp as a whole go from telling errrybody EVE IS DANGEROUS LOOK OUT! PROTECT YOSELF! ITS DANGER BEHIND THAT DOOR!!



OK, I'll bite.

So you are in a mining corp, how do you protect your self from a "10 Hour Hero".

You could have a PVP toon on stand by at all times. Sure. Would you as a player like to spend your time guarding a couple of Miners for hours on end with little or no reward? Mining makes way less than missioning so the same PVP toon could make way more by doing other things. Even in Null sec you hardly ever find dedicated mining protection ships let along in HS because of this factor.

You could screen your members. So you ask for the API. they have been in the game for a day and have some skills, no corp history, no kill board nothing. How do you differentiate them from a newb?

You could only accept older player who have a clean API. This does not guaranty against Awoxing but it helps a lot. However this is the issue CPP is trying to counter, they want Newbs in corps not only older player.

Are there any other ways to protect yourself? Why not let us know?

Rather than having a rage let us know why you deserve these kills, how much effort you have put in and how much worse the player base will be. Maybe if CCP had a good counter argument that might listen.

Edit

I have never been awoxed I can just see how it might have put off other player. I nearly quiet eve on my first day after being killed 3 times in the newb system by a person in the newb help chat and being a newb I did not even know that its not allowed.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#42 - 2015-01-16 04:10:04 UTC
What is default toggle position??? M

It BETTER BE DEFAULTED TO ON
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2015-01-16 05:26:38 UTC
Hallelujah!

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#44 - 2015-01-16 05:26:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Shailagh wrote:


Wtf happened to making bears work .......

I don't log into Eve to work, I log in to play.

It's a game.

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Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2015-01-16 07:33:10 UTC
If and when this happens, it will be a good thing. As would anything that is designed to retain new players.

Bottom line, we need new blood. The old guard, is just that. Old and bitter. We need new players to bring new ideas and content into this game. I would love to be able to travel across the EVE universe and have players in every system.

Players that are against this are just against change in general and don't see the larger picture.

IMHO
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#46 - 2015-01-16 07:38:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Revman Zim wrote:
I would love to be able to travel across the EVE universe and have players in every system.

Highsec already just about has that doesn't it?

This change won't affect lowsec or nullsec.

This is not a change that is going to populate New Eden and in any case, awoxing won't be killed by this. Awoxers, being cunning and intelligent as they are, will adapt.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#47 - 2015-01-16 07:55:23 UTC
This is one of the best things happened to EVE ever, and it should have happened a long time ago. ******** hisec faggotry like this has costs far too many subscriptions, and it has to end.

Please fix wardecs and suicide wanking next.

Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#48 - 2015-01-16 08:03:31 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
This is one of the best things happened to EVE ever, and it should have happened a long time ago. ******** hisec faggotry like this has costs far too many subscriptions, and it has to end.

Please fix wardecs and suicide wanking next.



You may keep war decs, just fix grief decs. War decs without grief decs will be completely fine.
Suicide wanking is admittedly not as much broken as grief decs in terms of unfair advantage for the griefer, the problem with it is it's just too easy and too profitable.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.

Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2015-01-16 08:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Abyss Azizora
Rawketsled wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
It'll be interesting to see the details on the option to turn intercorp aggression on and off, particularly what roles are needed in order to do so and how often it can be done.

I envision this conversation happening at some point:

"Hey, Bill, could you help me check my tanking abilities? I turned on the shooty thing for the corp. Bring something with a lot of damage, gimme a real work out!"
"Alrighty, I'll bring my pimped out mission boat. Thing packs a punch!"
*Concord murders Bill. Bill's corpmate scoops loot*
*Bill is kicked from corp by corpmate*
"Hey John, can you help me check my tanking abilities?"

This will be me. Without a doubt.

Hopefully Concord sends out a mail to members of the corp when each change happens. If someone is too dumb to quickly check that before aggressing, then they deserve everything they get.


Come on, we all know good and well you will STILL have to manually change your risk settings to yellow or red and click "Are you sure you want to be a moron and commit suicide to concord?" button before you can do any of that.

Back on topic: A great change, and long overdue.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#50 - 2015-01-16 08:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
While I would submit that AWOXing may have had its use at times, it was being abused.

Let's face it: letting someone with an expensive ship into the corp just to AWOX the player and pad your stats is abuse.


It amounts to taking the pail and shovel and bonking the kids over the head with it and then pointing and laughing, making the sandbox more about that than sand.

And a sandbox that is not about the sand, stops being a sandbox. It starts being more about those damp yellowish spots in the sand that you can't play in or around.

And nobody will want to play in it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2015-01-16 08:38:25 UTC
ITT: Option to press a button == only possible recourse.
Farelle
The Black Rabbits
RAZOR Alliance
#52 - 2015-01-16 08:41:26 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Arden Elenduil wrote:
What is your opinion about this?

Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.


And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream...


Love the change. Hopefully it will lead to some elements of EVE unsubscribing and never coming back. Fingers crossed!



Your in the wrong game then. Removing risk from EVE is a terrible idea.
Neo Kathura
Doomheim
#53 - 2015-01-16 08:49:55 UTC
Farelle wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Arden Elenduil wrote:
What is your opinion about this?

Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.


And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream...
Love the change. Hopefully it will lead to some elements of EVE unsubscribing and never coming back. Fingers crossed!
Your in the wrong game then. Removing risk from EVE is a terrible idea.
CCP disagrees. Apparently stopping people from shooting noobs is a good idea. I would tend to agree with them.
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#54 - 2015-01-16 09:18:44 UTC
I am indifferent, as long as some other changes come into effect to counter balance it.

NPC corp tax is increased by say 10% to covert the extra concord tax
Allow a duel system for teams so corps can still practice without having to low sec or test server
Make the war dec system more robust (cant leave corp for 1 week for example, so people cant just jump corp but cant be griefed with a constant war)

While not all directly connected they are linked to the play style.
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2015-01-16 09:29:26 UTC
Adapt or perish, the choice is yours.

In other words HTFU.

I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#56 - 2015-01-16 09:34:08 UTC
meh. as long as it gets more players doing more things together it is a good change in my mind. Awoxing creates a required level of trust for some basic activities. with that not being an issue in general perhaps after doing some basic activities some trust will be built and some more complicated activities will take place, and well that gives more chances for interesting game play.

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Serene Repose
#57 - 2015-01-16 09:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Marsan wrote:
Really...and learn to PVP. Or at least learn to suicide gank, war dec gank or something.
All three at once, or one at a time...that's real depth there...suicide gank, war dec gank...come out to LS (LSMFT - Lucky Strike means finer tobacco).

You know, when you add up the immense list of game activities the "non-carebears" have on hand it has two, maybe three things on it, but they talk about it like it's the entire reality on steroids. I find that odd. Don't you find that odd?
I guess Awoxing was important to them. Having a list with four things on it makes your list look pretty....important!
And, we all know, non-carebears are NOTHING if not IMPORTANT, RIGHT GANG????

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Farelle
The Black Rabbits
RAZOR Alliance
#58 - 2015-01-16 10:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Farelle
Neo Kathura wrote:
Farelle wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Arden Elenduil wrote:
What is your opinion about this?

Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.


And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream...
Love the change. Hopefully it will lead to some elements of EVE unsubscribing and never coming back. Fingers crossed!
Your in the wrong game then. Removing risk from EVE is a terrible idea.
CCP disagrees. Apparently stopping people from shooting noobs is a good idea. I would tend to agree with them.



As soon as you leave the NPC corp you consent to being at the mercy of your corp mates, make that clear if you want. Seriously what risk are they going to remove next? How much bubble wrap and cotton wool do people want in this game?

Falcon promised us this game was going to remain harsh and unforgiving, guess he flat out lied.

The carebears have a dozne MMOs to choose from, why on earth is EVE being turned into a happy clappy theme park?
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#59 - 2015-01-16 10:04:01 UTC
Neo Kathura wrote:
CCP disagrees. Apparently stopping people from shooting noobs is a good idea. I would tend to agree with them.

CCP should check their assumptions. Stopping people from shooting noobs in Counter Strike would ruin the game. I claim the same is true for EVE, since this is a PvP game after all.

The problem is how the game misleads people into a false sense of security that will eventually be broken.
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#60 - 2015-01-16 10:34:58 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
NPC corp tax is increased by say 10% to covert the extra concord tax
Why?
Why should NPC corps receive a punishment because corporations are getting a change? Bombers were recently buffed, so perhaps there should be a global nerf to PvP destroyers or ganking, or wardecs.

Xtreem wrote:
Make the war dec system more robust (cant leave corp for 1 week for example, so people cant just jump corp but cant be griefed with a constant war)
All this would do is further push people out of player corps and into NPC corps, because not playing for a week because a dedicated wardec corp wardecs you is lame.