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Is corp hoping to surprise a war target allowed?

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Lord Parallax
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-01-16 02:11:46 UTC
So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets.
Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss.

I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp.

I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all.

Is this legal?
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-01-16 02:14:28 UTC
So far as I know, yes it is.

However, a few corp mates have had their ships replaced after losing them to this tactic. So it may be considered to be an exploit.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2015-01-16 02:25:48 UTC
Support ticket.



Like nuking stuff from orbit, its the only way to be sure.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-01-16 02:35:27 UTC
What is the time frame from joint the corp and attacking a war target? I believe there was something mentioned a while back about doing it too fast is a no no. But like what was said, file a petition before you accidentally get yourself into trouble.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2015-01-16 02:36:28 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:


However, a few corp mates have had their ships replaced after losing them to this tactic. So it may be considered to be an exploit.


**** the ship replacement thing.

The number one thing CCP can do is remove kill reports if the kill was deemed illegal. All these morons care about is their KB. So if the kills are denied and not API verifiable, most grief type behavior will become a rare thing.

Mr Epeen Cool
Marsan
#6 - 2015-01-16 02:37:39 UTC
Corp hopping is sort of a grey area. If you leave or join corp during a war it's fine even if it's to avoid or attack war targets. Things get grey when you start doing things where you swap corps to take advantage of in game issues with the overview or con people into condording themselves or ignoring you.

In the past I've had war targets pop into station, drop corp, undock, lock me as if they were going to attack me. They were also still red in the overview. You report the issue sometimes people get banned, sometimes not. It's clear this is the sort of thing that GMs don't like, but it's not clear where the line is. It's made more fuzzy as you aren't allowed to post the ban when a GM gave you a ban of X days or gave you a warning. Not to mention you get no feedback reporting.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-01-16 02:47:56 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:


However, a few corp mates have had their ships replaced after losing them to this tactic. So it may be considered to be an exploit.


**** the ship replacement thing.

The number one thing CCP can do is remove kill reports if the kill was deemed illegal. All these morons care about is their KB. So if the kills are denied and not API verifiable, most grief type behavior will become a rare thing.

Mr Epeen Cool


We were all pretty surprised when the ships were given back. I know one guy filed a ticket, but I don't think everyone who had their ships replaced all filed tickets.

Personally, I was fine with just tipping my hat to a a well timed and planned attack.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#8 - 2015-01-16 03:10:10 UTC
This aint no grey area. Ccp has stated exactly what is sploit and what is allowed reguarding this is many places many times.

YOU MUST HAVE A SESSION CHANGE BETWEEN JOINING CORP AND KILLING WARTARGET.
YOU CANNOT BE ON GRID WITH SOON-TO-BE WARTARGET AND JOIN THEN SHOOT RIGHT AWAY. YOU MUST SESSION CHANGE. IE UNDOCK FROM STATION YOU JOINED AT OR WARP INTO SYSYTEM FROM THE GATE YOU WERE AT WHILE JOINING.

And to make this problem solve itself now... THERE IS NOW A MANDATORY SESSION CHANGE WHEN ANYONE JOINS CORP NOW. YOU MUST BE IN POD OR DOCKED TO JOIN NOW SO THERE IS ALWAYS A SESSION CHANGE.

So dudes. No grey area no he said she said.


Session change=valid war target
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#9 - 2015-01-16 03:34:52 UTC
If they hold roles in the corp their is a 24 cool down timer before they can leave

so as long as they have roles they wont do it as a effective strategy
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-01-16 03:46:39 UTC
Here's the order that it works in:

1. Killer1 is offered a spot in MercCorp1.
2. MercCorp1 declares war on IndyFolks Inc.
3. The 24 hours passes between the war dec and the war becoming active.
4. The moment the war is active, Killer1 accepts his invitation to MercCorp1, thus making everyone in IndyFolks Inc. a viable target.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#11 - 2015-01-16 04:04:02 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Here's the order that it works in:

1. Killer1 is offered a spot in MercCorp1.
2. MercCorp1 declares war on IndyFolks Inc.
3. The 24 hours passes between the war dec and the war becoming active.
4. The moment the war is active, Killer1 accepts his invitation to MercCorp1, thus making everyone in IndyFolks Inc. a viable target.



That is totally legal unless dude is on grid with soon-to-be target or somehow (impossible now after new change they just made) dude doesnt session change. Its legal bro. Dude can be in next belt in a ship, eject to pod, accept app, WAIT FOR SESSION CHANGE, reboard ship then go kill.

KEY WORD IS SESSION CHANGE. CCP STATED THIS MANY TIMES. ITS ON THE OFFICIAL EXPLOIT PAGE TOO. GO READ IT. SESSSSSSSION CHANGE/NOT ON GRID===LEGAL MECHANIC
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#12 - 2015-01-16 04:17:50 UTC
I too like to use the Caps Lock key.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-01-16 04:20:54 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
I too like to use the Caps Lock key.


Eh, he ain't wrong though. Session change is key.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-01-16 05:34:32 UTC
Vector Symian wrote:
If they hold roles in the corp their is a 24 cool down timer before they can leave

so as long as they have roles they wont do it as a effective strategy


This is so 2014.

You do know that even with director roles, you can instantly quit a corp now?

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Lord Parallax
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-01-16 07:39:52 UTC
Ok. So if it requires a session change. How is it that he did not show up as a valid war target for almost half an hour after he changed corps and made the kill? I did not see him on my local list as 1 until he left system and came back.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-01-16 08:10:30 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Delete for forum cleaning sake.

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zindeen
Poor Old Ornery nOObs
#17 - 2015-01-16 08:28:15 UTC
You did not see him in local does not mean he was not there. Could of been something as simple as having a alt floating beside you waiting for the kill
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#18 - 2015-01-16 09:41:20 UTC
Lord Parallax wrote:
So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets.
Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss.

I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp.

I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all.

Is this legal?



It's a bit arbitrary but generally speaking if the corp change happened while not being in system where the attack happened then it's fine as it'll show the player with the correct flags. If the corp change happened in the system the attack happened moments later then it can be deemed an exploit.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#19 - 2015-01-16 09:46:37 UTC
Ohhhhhh "Hopping"!

Not Hoping.

I was extremely confused about the title.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Serene Repose
#20 - 2015-01-16 09:46:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Like nuking stuff from orbit, its the only way to be sure.

You keep quoting Ellen Ripley. Why you keep quoting Ellen Ripley?

I thought it was "hoping" too. I thought, how absurd hoping to surprise a war target with your war.

Then, I'm reading about corp hopping in reverse, hopping in to attack, not to run?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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