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Awoxing is no more

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Solecist Project
#21 - 2015-01-16 01:33:03 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
"emergent play style" You know, we called Vietnam a "police action." They call tax increases "revenue enhancement." They call depressions "recessions" now. Haven't you heard? It's a battle of words, and most of them are said.

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Hibernator X
Standing Wave Society
#22 - 2015-01-16 01:46:12 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
It'll be interesting to see the details on the option to turn intercorp aggression on and off, particularly what roles are needed in order to do so and how often it can be done.

I envision this conversation happening at some point:

"Hey, Bill, could you help me check my tanking abilities? I turned on the shooty thing for the corp. Bring something with a lot of damage, gimme a real work out!"
"Alrighty, I'll bring my pimped out mission boat. Thing packs a punch!"
*Concord murders Bill. Bill's corpmate scoops loot*
*Bill is kicked from corp by corpmate*
"Hey John, can you help me check my tanking abilities?"

This will be me. Without a doubt.

Hopefully Concord sends out a mail to members of the corp when each change happens. If someone is too dumb to quickly check that before aggressing, then they deserve everything they get.


"Hey Bill, make sure your safety is off ok?"
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#23 - 2015-01-16 01:46:51 UTC
The amount of player subscription cash thrown down the pan, ergo misspent on dust and vampires - has kind of forced ccp to water down eve as a result of those bad decisions and forward planning due to financial considerations.

That said, sitting on the fence, new player retention isn't a bad thing.

60K people online again vs an average of 30k surely means x2 the chance of random occurrences in the sandbox for each and all, regardless of profession.

In fairness, bucking the trend and reversing the damage while trying to maintain the old playerbase, and the new - never going to be plain sailing.

Regardless of the side of the coin, another ten years of Eve is surely what we'd all like to see happen?

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-01-16 01:47:35 UTC
Hibernator X wrote:
Rawketsled wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
It'll be interesting to see the details on the option to turn intercorp aggression on and off, particularly what roles are needed in order to do so and how often it can be done.

I envision this conversation happening at some point:

"Hey, Bill, could you help me check my tanking abilities? I turned on the shooty thing for the corp. Bring something with a lot of damage, gimme a real work out!"
"Alrighty, I'll bring my pimped out mission boat. Thing packs a punch!"
*Concord murders Bill. Bill's corpmate scoops loot*
*Bill is kicked from corp by corpmate*
"Hey John, can you help me check my tanking abilities?"

This will be me. Without a doubt.

Hopefully Concord sends out a mail to members of the corp when each change happens. If someone is too dumb to quickly check that before aggressing, then they deserve everything they get.


"Hey Bill, make sure your safety is off ok?"


Ah, didn't think about that one.....good catch.
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#25 - 2015-01-16 01:57:42 UTC
Griefer tears....... soo tasty..
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#26 - 2015-01-16 02:08:21 UTC
I cannot say I relish how full of annoying nonsense most corp and alliance channels may be if this actually works as nintendoed.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#27 - 2015-01-16 02:15:33 UTC
I'm for the change. awoxing is OP within corps. It forced me to quit playing the game when I first started. I came back and just avoided the **** out of highsec becuase of it. been playing eve ever since.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
Khanid.
#28 - 2015-01-16 02:17:56 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
From direct csm summer meating quotes and other quotes.....

The entire ONLY REASON FOR THIS CHANGE. Is player retention...

Ccp says their statistics show that people that stay in npc corps quit eve faster and more often than those in player corps..
They also say the reason newbros cant join said retention-helping-hisec-carebear corps is cuz they wont recruit due to corpmate violence fears.

So ccp thinks the way to retain players is to encourage hisec carebear corps to want to recruit newbros more and thinking away corpmate shooting will solve this and then retain more newbros and give more rl dollars in ccps hands....


Ccp cant you see this logic is flawed?? Some csm dudes even tried to say so. Wtf is the poijt of them is you dont listen?? This vhange and gonna increase RETENTION 1% IF ANYTJING GONNA MAKE OLDVETS QUIT MORE.



Honestly after reading CCP's reasoning then hearing the other side of everyone here.
I really have to say i have to agree with CCP at this point and it should be a pretty decent revenue booster, good job whoever thought this up. But seriously, who really is going to quit over this tiny mechanic change? For those who do i doubt your losing much over a person who is more of a griefer at heart then interested in EvE as a whole.

Its not really removing the mechanic it just forces the person to commit more work.
EvE is not about easy.
Angelica Everstar
#29 - 2015-01-16 02:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Everstar
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Love the change. Hopefully it will lead to some elements of EVE unsubscribing and never coming back. Fingers crossed!
One can always hope :D




I'm not sure how much of the credit I can take - But Hilmar did write this very idea down on a piece of paper, after talking with me, at last years Charity Dinner, where I suggested this change stronglyTwisted

Thanks Hilmar Big smile

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Marsan
#30 - 2015-01-16 02:46:42 UTC
Really I'm suppose to morn the fact that people can't grief carebears from within the carbears corps? If the only thing keeping you in the game is Awoxing the game is better without you. Come out into WS, LS, or NS and learn to PVP. Or at least learn to suicide gank, war dec gank or something.


PS- I love carebears they pay subscriptions, build my stuff, and buy the random things the rats/sleepers/cans drop.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-01-16 02:47:36 UTC
Anyone really believe this will bring and retain new players? Pirate

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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#32 - 2015-01-16 02:50:47 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Anyone really believe this will bring and retain new players? Pirate

Bring? No.

Retain? Maybe.

The real question is by what amount will the numbers of new toons joining corps drop by?
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#33 - 2015-01-16 02:56:44 UTC
Arden Elenduil wrote:
What is your opinion about this?

Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.


And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream...


I'm curious to know more about your logic. How come an introduction of switchable option instead of the one state of the things we have now is "destroying emergent play style"?

It had one option: ON

It will have two options: ON and OFF

That's the very definition of supporting emergent play style.

P.S.
If I still have to draw a picture for better understanding... you'll still have "rogue" directors... you'll have an option to switch friendly fire ON... and then OFF... and then ON again... and then OFF...Shocked Get it?Lol
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#34 - 2015-01-16 03:16:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
All this means is that Awoxers will have to work for their kills.

Currently all you have to do is build a "10 Hour Hero" character and join a newbie friendly corp and go to town.

With a "10 Hour Hero" character its impossible to determine that the account is an Awoxer. No KB, no Corp History nothing. All you have is that person's word and we all know that means nothing.


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he very nearly had me convinced that his actions were for the best of the corp...yet could not wait until the loan was repaid before doing so and so his permanent ban was set in place

awoxing is not dead it has simply evolved into a game of patience and vocal persuasion


That's not really Awoxing, that's just corp theft. That's been happening for as long if not longer than Awoxing.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#35 - 2015-01-16 03:21:13 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
All this means is that Awoxers will have to work for their kills.

Currently all you have to do is build a "10 Hour Hero" character and join a newbie friendly corp and go to town.

With a "10 Hour Hero" character its impossible to determine that the account is an Awoxer. No KB, no Corp History nothing. All you have is that person's word and we all know that means nothing.



Wtf happened to making bears work to AVOID BEING KILLED.

This is the pinnacle question... when did eve and ccp as a whole go from telling errrybody EVE IS DANGEROUS LOOK OUT! PROTECT YOSELF! ITS DANGER BEHIND THAT DOOR!!

TO.

OK NOW EVRRYONE LISTEN THERES THESE BAD MEAN GUYS OUT THERE BUT DONT YOU WORRY, WE WILL NOT ONLY GIVE YOY THE TOOLDS TO AVOID THE DANGER YOURSELF... WELL HOLD YOUR HAND AND CODDLR YOU AMD TOTALLY PRotect you. Dont worry
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#36 - 2015-01-16 03:24:07 UTC
Awoxing fundamentally is hacking

all system are flawed due to this simple reason..

people are involved, and that my friends is how they will get in

...give me directors rights and ill find your awoxers for you...

*evil cackle*
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#37 - 2015-01-16 03:24:37 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Arden Elenduil wrote:
What is your opinion about this?

Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.


And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream...


I'm curious to know more about your logic. How come an introduction of switchable option instead of the one state of the things we have now is "destroying emergent play style"?

It had one option: ON

It will have two options: ON and OFF

That's the very definition of supporting emergent play style.

P.S.
If I still have to draw a picture for better understanding... you'll still have "rogue" directors... you'll have an option to switch friendly fire ON... and then OFF... and then ON again... and then OFF...Shocked Get it?Lol

More choices is generally a good thing, especially if they are largely popular choices.

If you want to kill them then:
Suicide gank them.
Talk them into a duel.
Work harder and get into a position to turn it off, or con them into turning it off.

Personally I've always felt that "I won't join a player corp because I might get ganked" was merely an excuse. However, it does provide an additional illusion of safety that some people apparently find necessary to become brave enough to risk imaginary pixels in a game.

I have no real beef with this... I'm a bit more disappointed in the new ship skinning mechanic but that's a topic for another thread and/or video.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#38 - 2015-01-16 03:25:56 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
All this means is that Awoxers will have to work for their kills.

Currently all you have to do is build a "10 Hour Hero" character and join a newbie friendly corp and go to town.

With a "10 Hour Hero" character its impossible to determine that the account is an Awoxer. No KB, no Corp History nothing. All you have is that person's word and we all know that means nothing.



Wtf happened to making bears work to AVOID BEING KILLED.

This is the pinnacle question... when did eve and ccp as a whole go from telling errrybody EVE IS DANGEROUS LOOK OUT! PROTECT YOSELF! ITS DANGER BEHIND THAT DOOR!!

TO.

OK NOW EVRRYONE LISTEN THERES THESE BAD MEAN GUYS OUT THERE BUT DONT YOU WORRY, WE WILL NOT ONLY GIVE YOY THE TOOLDS TO AVOID THE DANGER YOURSELF... WELL HOLD YOUR HAND AND CODDLR YOU AMD TOTALLY PRotect you. Dont worry

Calm down.

All this does is keep honest people honest.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#39 - 2015-01-16 03:26:47 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
All this means is that Awoxers will have to work for their kills.

Currently all you have to do is build a "10 Hour Hero" character and join a newbie friendly corp and go to town.

With a "10 Hour Hero" character its impossible to determine that the account is an Awoxer. No KB, no Corp History nothing. All you have is that person's word and we all know that means nothing.



Wtf happened to making bears work to AVOID BEING KILLED.

This is the pinnacle question... when did eve and ccp as a whole go from telling errrybody EVE IS DANGEROUS LOOK OUT! PROTECT YOSELF! ITS DANGER BEHIND THAT DOOR!!

TO.

OK NOW EVRRYONE LISTEN THERES THESE BAD MEAN GUYS OUT THERE BUT DONT YOU WORRY, WE WILL NOT ONLY GIVE YOY THE TOOLDS TO AVOID THE DANGER YOURSELF... WELL HOLD YOUR HAND AND CODDLR YOU AMD TOTALLY PRotect you. Dont worry


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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#40 - 2015-01-16 03:28:42 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
"emergent play style" You know, we called Vietnam a "police action." They call tax increases "revenue enhancement." They call depressions "recessions" now. Haven't you heard? It's a battle of words, and most of them are said.

You ignore my lovemail? :(

You ignore mine, you tease ;(

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